ThePirateSociety Is Back on a New Domain, New Server

After dozens of emails asking us, ”What happened to ThePirateSociety?” - we’ve just now received the official word from the proud new owner. Sorry folks, there’s not a lot of juicy gossip in this one, but what’s very clear is that TPS has indeed returned true to form - minus a few staff members. Since being offline for nearly two full weeks now, what exactly transpired between October 5th and October 16th? For starters - a new domain, new server, new (and old) staff. But what’s really important is the site, its contents, the user database - these have all been rescued from what would have been a total loss if it weren’t for quick action on the part of TPS’s new proprietor. FSF spoke with the new owner - bubbl3 - who shed some interesting light as to how & why these events unfolded. Plus we have the exclusive info regarding TPS’s official announcement.

In a few hours, all members of TPS should receive an email which explains - more or less - some of what we examine below.

Unpaid Server Bills…

The reason why ThePirateSociety went offline in the first place, was simply because nobody was keeping up with payments to the hosting provider, Server.lu. In arrears for 4 full months, the last payment made to Server.lu was on July 10th, 2010. It’s anyone’s guess as to why TPS didn’t go offline before they did; apparently Server.lu is very forgiving. They sent multiple messages in request for payment, all of which were unanswered and left unpaid.

It’s still unclear (and up for debate) about who’s fault it was for failing to pay the server bills. Some say it’s soopy, others say it’s ninecat’s fault. (The general public believes that it was soopy who was in charge of the finances for the server, not ninecat - but there’s still no solid proof of this). In any event, it would be safe to say that both of them failed the community, and they won’t be returning to the new TPS with their old positions even if they decide to come back - that much is clear. Except for whoever was in charge of maintaining the finances - nobody else had any prior indication that TPS was in trouble with server.lu. Non-payment was kept a secret, for reasons still unknown.

In a final attempt to sabotage TPS, whoever it was in charge of the TPS’s server tried to “close the account” - and if successful it would have put an end to TPS forever. On October 12th a support ticket was opened at Server.lu (presumably by either soopy or ninecat) which read, ”Please close this account. Thank you.” Server.lu declined to honor this request since there was an outstanding balance. They replied to the ticket, ”Please pay your open invoices first. After that, please use the cancel button to cancel the server. Best regards”. The irony here is that the same person responsible for nonpayment is also the person who tried to bring the site down, once and for all. If not for that financial irresponsibility, then TPS would be just a memory.

Luckily, bubbl3 just so happened to be on Server.lu’s TPS contact list, and in s.lu’s final attempt to garner a response to resolve the debt, the fate of TPS was left in his hands.

“I asked to negotiate with server.lu, and after agreeing to pay the old bills I got access to the TPS server. I had to pay 240 euros in bills…” - bubbl3

Bubbl3 came up with a grand plan; to try to save TPS from total demolition which was obviously soon to come. He contacted Server.lu and negotiated to settle up the outstanding backpayments in order to save the TPS site database & contents. He and pissshivers ponied up the €240 (Euro) ransom (€60 x 4 months) and presto, just like that they now possessed ThePirateSociety. And it was then subsequently moved to a new server (still on server.lu), and pissshivers paid out of pocket for a new vBulletin license.

New Domain Name…

ThePirateSociety.ORG is now known as http://thepiratesociety.info.

Unlike hosting, domain names are harder to transfer, especially when you can’t even find the owner of the domain - and that’s N3v3R. N3v3R, the original owner/sysop of TPS is the holder of .org (and possibly .net & .com) seems to have dropped off everyone’s radar. Thus, it wasn’t possible to continue using the old domain, and .info was settled on.

It should be mentioned that if N3v3R does resurface, he’s more than welcome to take his position back at TPS, should he desire to do so.

New Staff… and the Future

Bubbl3 and pissshivers are the new sysops of TPS, with skindoggi and bottom also coming back as staff. Whoever was staff at the time when TPS went offline will also return with their prior staff status.

Current members of ThePirateSociety should soon be able to login using their old user/pass credentials at ThePirateSociety.info.

Further details pertaining to the status of TPS will be published in an official announcement (see below). Stay tuned; we’ll update this article as soon as new information rolls in. We wish TPS the best of luck in the future - we’re not alone in saying we sincerely hope you guys can return the forum back to it’s former glory.

ThePirateSociety - New Announcement

Friends

Welcome back!

As you’ve no doubt guessed by now, there have been some drastic changes here at TPS.

We are under new management. This was NOT planned, and it was NOT some sort of hostile takeover. Everything that has been done was done as a last resort to save TPS.

When TPS went down on October 5th, we discovered that the server bills had not been paid in several months. Rather than pay the bills, the go-ahead was given by the previous staff to shut the site down without possibility of return. Working with the hosting company, bubbl3 and pisshivers paid the outstanding balance and took over administration of the servers.

Some Proof:

Server.lu asking to fix the negative balance: link here.

Server.lu ticket opened to ask for the server contract to be closed: link here.

Server.lu balance with 4 unpaid invoices and our payment to fix the situation: link here.

As many of you are aware, TPS has experienced plenty of internal turmoil in recent months; many good staff and members alike have been either banned or chased off by a few power-hungry individuals. Whether through neglect, tacit agreement, or outright support, these individuals were not reigned in and essentially ruled with an iron fist banning or alienating all who opposed them. If you questioned their practices, you were “against” them. This obviously goes against everything we’ve stood for in the past: disagree all you want, voice it without repercussions. You may not get your way, but no one will be punished for their views.

The money was another big issue. Where do we stand on donations? Are we still partnered with so-and-so? How much is coming in? How much are the server bills? Does TPS need more help? Do we have a surplus? Who’s handling the money? From now on, TPS is going to be completely transparent about the money. We plan on updating the community about donations, payments, balances, etc.

For these and other reasons, TPS will be running with a small staff, a skeleton crew, for a bit while we figure out where to go from here. Before the downtime, things had become quite bloated and out of control at TPS, and we are working to get back to the TPS that we all knew and loved. A few changes that are readily noticeable are:

Transparency.

Staff changes. Some of the familiar staff may return, some won’t.

The Pirate Academy is shut down and the information contained within it will be turned in a Beginner’s Guide.

Rather than interviews, we will be using a web submission form.

The reputation system will be revamped. Currently, we are leaning toward removing reps for invite and possibly going to a Request-Only system; no Giveaways.

The NML/LML will be revisited and likely revamped.

The Rules will be revised. This is not kindergarten; we don’t need or want to babysit.

As far as the .info domain goes, it was the only way to get TPS up and running again. The owners of .com, .org, and .net were either unreachable or uncooperative. As far as we’re concerned, TPS was abandoned. This is not some clone of TPS trying to steal members; this is TPS moved to .info. Make no mistake, there are some hard feelings with some of the old staff. Whether those will be mended in the future is difficult to say at this point. We will not drag anyone through the mud, however, and you can see that all names have been left out of this post.

“Back in the day” all ideas, suggestions, critiques, and complaints were welcomed at TPS. We assure you all that those days have returned. Feel free to POLITELY discuss anything and everything.

Again, WELCOME BACK!

m3 Says:

Cool, Congrats to Bubbl3 for saving the site, hopefully TPS can become good again.
ELJOKER Says:

great news thanks for the info sharky
sharky Says:

My pleasure to report it, ElJoker. Great to get the scoop on this one!!
Anon Says:

bubbl3: you were part of the group running SavvySeed, that was supposed to be paying TPS’s bills anyway…. before you guys fucked off with all the cash, that is, so you should know damn well why the bills weren’t paid.
Huh? Says:

Wasn’t it Soopy who posted that they had enough cash on hand to float them for a full year?

Where did all that go?
zebus Says:

Thanks for the update Sharky, nice to finally know what’s going on after two weeks.

Here’s to hoping the new TPS can return to its former glory under new management.
Wow Says:

Nice security….. two guys who weren’t even staffers are able to get the entire database including all your emails and IP addresses and every and any site PM’s you’ve sent. LMFAO!
bubbl3 Says:

@ ANON, SavvySeed parted ways with TPS, yes, they paid the bills until then, yes. Having no more deal with TPS they didn’t have to pay the bills anymore.
There were donations up at TPS and everyone was assured the financial were being taken care of, i don’t see how it is anyone’s fault if not who was in charge of that.
You have financial problems? Speak out to your community, they kept everybody in the dark and made the ISP shutdown the server.

P.S. I have no financial gains from SavvySeed, i help there out of my free time and the money used for this rescue came out of my own pocket.
Beagle Says:

TPS return to it’s former glory…. LMFAO!

The place is dead… do the dignfied thing and let it rest in peace.

So, bubbl3, why don’t you tell us what your affiliation is with SavvySeed. You know Savvy, the project that was originally intended as an internal project of TPS to fund the site. The same bunch, who when the project started making money hijacked it and ran away with all that money. (I did get a kick out of you guys fucking over TPS after them banning me for exposing how much money Savvy was making. lol).

You hijacked SavvySeed, now you’ve hijacked the entire site… well done.
zebus Says:

Well when I said former glory, I didn’t mean right before the crash, I meant like Beagle era.. speaking of that, when you starting up your own forum? Seems like a good time for it :p
bubbl3 Says:

As i said: I have no financial gains from SavvySeed, i help there out of my free time and the money used for this rescue came out of my own pocket.

I’ll gladly not comment on the rest being it troll style.
Beagle Says:

I won’t be starting up any kind of forum, not now or in the future. If you’re looking for a decent replacement for TPS, look no further than the previous article on this blog…

You can also find me posting occasionally at FST.
Anon. Says:

Beagle,

You must of been pissed that Savvy was making money huh? Why so bitter? If it wasn’t for Savvy, TPS wouldn’t of been able to pay the bills. Funny enough, that was when you were around.
Beagle Says:

So, bubbl3, you see no issues with a guy, who’s not even a staffer, who helped hijack the Savvy project, hijacking the entire site including the database that contains everyone’s personal information?
Beagle Says:

@Anon: yes, I was around, until I revealed how much excess profit the Savvy project was making that wasn’t being used for TPS purposes. When I revealed that information is when I was banned. They decided to go with the cash… it didn’t work out too well for them, though. lol
anon Says:

Sharky your so cool, where do you idle on irc
Anon. Says:

And did you know what happened to that cash Beagle? As you already did know, it was re-invested back into the service that was being provided, and not into people’s pockets. Why don’t you get your head out of the sand, and admit to what really took place for once.
bubbl3 Says:

It was this or trash the community in the bin, I was sure someone wold have seen it the wrong way. There was no other way to save TPS, I’ll gladly accept the backfire.
Beagle Says:

Re-invested? All the profits were re-invested? All the thousands of $$ of profit. LMFAO.. how stupid are you ANON?
Ionut Says:

Oh crap… I was looking forward to TPS coming back on-line but these happenings have made me wonder if it’s worth it…

Could someone confirm that the posts authored by BEAGLE were made by the actual TPS user?
Where is he? Says:

Beagle…where is your friend backie to back you up? We all know you like soap operas
Not there…. Says:

Beagle is no longer associated with TPS.
Beagle Says:

@bubbl3: if you steal a shitty forum, you get all the crap that goes along with it. You should have left it in the trash bin where it belongs. And, please, stop playing the hero. We all know why you rescued TP$.

PS: So, you have no association with SavvySeed, yet you were the billing contact for the server TPS was on, which was at least originally adminned by Savvy. You were the billing contact, which is how you were able to steal the site and database, but you have no financial involvement with them. Interesting.
bubbl3 Says:

1) We paid money for nothing and will keep the financial transparent.

2) Who said i was the billing contact? S.lu was desperate for reaching the server billing contact and contacted everybody they knew, i just got word of it and decided to contact them.

As i said backfire was granted, as some trolls that live online just to build drama, but honestly who cares.
Beagle Says:

@Bubbl3: so, now you want me to believe that Server.lu turned over a server full of private information to someone that contacted them out of the blue? If that’s true, it sounds like a pretty serious security and confidentiality breach on their part, and it should be investigated.

When I contact them, will the Server.lu staff confirm that they handed over a server full of private information to a complete stranger that had no prior association with that server?
zzenn Says:

I think it speaks volumes that bubbl3 and pissshivers paid out of their own pockets to save TPS from certain doom. For my money, TPS couldn’t hope for better people at the helm.

When TPS is operational again, it will be possible to both ask questions and criticize constructively without fear of being banned. Act like a grown up, and you’ll be treated like one. It has also been publicly stated that the economics will be fully transparent this time around, so any talk about $$$ motivation at this point is lame.

If you were really interested in dialogue, Beagle, you would approach the new owners directly. You certainly know where they hang out or could find them very easily. Instead, it appears you’re only out to create more drama.
Beagle Says:

Not at all, zzenn, I just have some questions, and I think everyone should be entitled to see the answers. It appears that the parties involved are more interested in trying to discredit the person asking the questions, than answering them, though.

Those are some pretty serious allegations he’s making about Server.lu handing over an entire server full of private information. I think it deserves clarification from him. Server.lu is, or was, a reputable company and allegations like that could do some serious damage.

And, like I’ve already said, he’s not a hero, there are obvious motives for him to spend that kind of cash to steal an existing site. He’s directly involved with SavvySeed, and he now somehow apparently owns (stole) a site where he had no prior authority, and he wants to portray himself as some kind of saint or savior??

But yeah, go ahead and call me a troll instead of answering the questions.
ElGolfo Says:

I really haven’t said about all those bannings of Staff and former staff, but it did seem a bit childish. I hope that things can start looking better at the site, rather than than this past phase where it has become literally not worth the effort to post at all due to the threat of being banned or post being nit-picked. BUBBL3 and skindoggi have always been helpful in the past and I also have nothing bad to say pissshivers or bottom. about so all the luck to them.
dewey Says:

@Beagle:
how is a “billing contact” email a “complete stranger”?
bubbl3 Says:

I have business of my own there, I’m not a complete stranger to Server.lu, and yes they are a serious company.
my th30ry Says:

huh ? where is ith3ory ? he always speaks about truth and transparency
oh between except acg1 and castagnety there r no useful staffers out there
i think they wont return if they return also they will step down coz more experienced users who were banned by last staff for no reason r gonna return
anonymous Says:

What you think might happen, and what really does happen are different things. Instead of speculating about such things, why don’t you let people decide for themselves what’s best. Give it a few weeks, and lets see if TPS really has changed.
racerboy99 Says:

Sounds like TPS has gone back to normal Will be coming back as soon as the site starts working
Yocto Says:

Are they going tio have open signups or do you still have to go throyugh that shitty interview?

Sharing is caring!
ElGolfo Says:

Haha, I wouldn’t count on open signups, I don’t think they have had open signups since April or May of last year. IMO if it’s not worth your time so sit through an “shitty interview” you probably won’t be much of an asset to the site anyways. As an alternative You can always look for a member with an invite to the site.
cpx Says:

TPS is now associated with masive staff bans, e-drama and making profit. bubbl3 - leave TPS and everything associated with it alone. It’s dead.
Anonymous Says:

@CPX: It’s called “profiteering”, smarty. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing bad I have on the current staff… That’s not the same I could say about the former.
secret Says:

vBulletin Message
Sorry Pirates, this will take longer than expected. Stay tuned.

TPS Staff

its gone again…
Yocto Says:

The problem with the interview is the arsehole at the other end.

I once tried for a interview and they guy was asking me lots of personal stuff.

Feck that, im not giving out my personal infor over thenet, he even wanted to know the town I lived in.

felt like I was replying to a Nigerian Email informing me I had won their lottery.
zzenn Says:

Yocto, apparently you cannot be arsed to even read the article, which means you probably can’t be arsed to read the TPS rules. So perhaps it’s best if you stay away, for good.

FYI, the new signups will be handled through web submission, AS STATED IN THE ARTICLE.
racerboy99 Says:

What’s the current IRC?
shame Says:

It’s a shame, staffers from nearly all trackers were there, site was clean, rules were gay, but they had to be.
What the fuck is the price of a good leech slot these days sharky?
ANON Says:

I’m still disabled, not that much of a prob. I’ve moved on. I and I suspect many others were disabled for not complying with a ‘credentials check’ by the nazis. Speaking of; Did hirize come back?
bubbl3 Says:

If you got disabled and you think it’s not fair, just come on our irc, i’ll add the details on the homepage shortly.
Viva la Etiv Says:

Screw this BS…TPS was/is/will be EPIC FAIL

ETIV….FTW

Network: irc.etiv.in

Invite channel: #interview
ANON Says:

Haha I guess etiv is a little scared considering that this article already has more views than their article that was posted yesterday. Riding another thread to promote your site makes you look retarded
Beagle Says:

@DEWEY: Please try to keep up with the conversation. Bubbl3 clearly stated that he was NOT a billing contact for the TPS server. He was NOT a billing contact, nor did he own the site that was hosted on the server. He simply contacted them, and they apparently sold him all the information that was on the TPS server. If what he’s saying is true, then it’s a huge security and privacy breach by Server.lu.
Beagle Says:

I must note that he suddenly seems ashamed of his involvement with $avvy$eed, and doesn’t seem to want to have that mentioned. I wonder how long it will be before $avvy is back at TP$? My guess is that in about a month or so they’re going to announce an amazing new service that will only cost you $30/month….

But yeah, you can keep thinking he shelled out that cash for the “community”… if you’re an idiot, that is.
bubbl3 Says:

1) I’m not ashamed to dedicate spare time to SavvySeed.

2) Not now or never we will start to sell services on TPS, people knows where to get them, no need for us to sell anything.
Backie Says:

So what happened with all the monies donated over the 4 months noone paid for it? Did someone need to buy diapers?
Wish I was a member… Says:

@ VIVA LA ETIV - WOW, talk about being a complete loser tool! Bwaahahhaha!!!! Spamming is the most childish, lowlife thing you could do to make your site look just as childish and lowlife as your statement.

I am not a member of this site, nor your “etiv” site. However after reading this article, and it’s replies from the “old” staff, it is clear that TPS is the site I want to try to become a member of. TPS, you’ll be hearing from me shortly for an attempt to become a member.

It is a horrible thing to read when a reputable site dwindles down to such only due to a hand full of unworthy staff/owners. This is not the first site to end up as trash due to negligence, however it appears that it was truly saved. Thanks and good luck Bubbl3!!
Beagle Says:

LMFAO @ WISH I WAS A MEMBER…. you talk about someone else spamming

Take bubbl3’s dick out of your mouth, and start posting with your real nick. I see the new bunch of staff inherited that trait from the previous ones… the inability, or lack of balls, to stand behind their comments.
ANON Says:

Beagle stop being a fucking salty douche bag. You were banned over a year ago, get over it! You act like TPS was your first girlfriend who gave you a boner and you can’t get it off your mind. Stop being a creepy lurking stalker and put effort into saving face and notbeing and utter piece of whining shit
Beagle Says:

Well, Bubbl3, I just got a reply back from Server.lu. Here’s what they had to say…

This server you are referring to once belonged to one customer who

transfered it to a new customer. When this customer ceased to pay, ownership
was transferred back to the old customer.

After inquiring further they replied with this…

From our side this was a clean and smooth transaction without “new party”
involved in the end.

So the history of this server:

Customer_1 transferred to Customer_2

After Customer_2 left, server was transferred back to Customer_1

There is no “Customer_3″.

That’s all there is to say.

So, it would appear that one of you is lying. You either DO have direct affiliation with SavvySeed and financial dealing with them, or Server.lu is lying….

Which one is it?
Beagle Says:

@ANON: I thought you might grow a pair.. I guess not.

ad hominem attack is the sign of a lost argument.

Like I said earlier, you guys can try to discredit me all you like, but I think it’s obvious to everyone how you’re just avoiding the questions.

I see nothing has changed at all. A bunch of spineless twits too scared to comment using their usual nick, and a lying site owner. *sigh*
ANON Says:

Oh because Beagle is a “open” douche rocket it makes him awesome? Just because you choose to be a open retarded is your choice. The fact you’re using the tactic “your lame for being anon” is childish and immature, but what would you expect from some who holds a vendetta a against a “WEBSITE” that he hates but constantly follows and comments about? Beagle give up you loser, you a fucking hack and no one gives a shit about you anymore. Get on with your life and stop trying to be a complete faggot
bubbl3 Says:

I’m not lying, i was honest since the start on how i got the server, customer 1 was just the contact s.lu asked informations about, he’s not involved in the transaction, i personally asked Server.lu about the possibility to get ownership. I guess they were very happy to see the negative balance repaid. I said this since the start and i take all the backfire on me, if someone wants to build drama on it it’s their choice. I don’t care, it’s their time they are wasting, i’m not gonna reply to false accusations here anymore, i was even too open to discussion and i’m busy with TPS right now.
Beagle Says:

So, you are saying that Server.lu is lying and that they did in fact sell a server full of private information to an unrelated third party in exchange for cash. Interesting.

I think this is something the entire BT community should know about if one of the server companies that hosts many many seedboxes and several torrent sites is willing to sell the information contained on all those servers to anyone willing to pony up a bit of cash.

I’ll be interested to see what Server.lu has to say about this….
David Says:

This is probably why server.lu have recently changed there invoicing system.

They now invoice 20 days before the due date and if no payment is received when the due date comes, the server goes offline until payment is received.
anon Says:

Beagle, it’s refreshing to see your pathetic attempts at proving you are on the high moral road, when at best, you come across as a douche, bitter ex-staffer who just couldn’t let go. The only reason you are here is to hijack this thread, try to start flinging mud all over the place, and to plug your precious invite forum, which is pretty shitty to begin with.

There is a reason why there is such a vested interested in TPS, and that was because it was a great site, and still can be. We’re just fortunate the good members flocked back, and unlike you, were willing to do something to make a difference in the BT community, instead of shiling the very place you were exiled to, and for good reason. You already proved that, by all the bitter accusations you made, which all have a false premises to them, and completely unfounded. Why don’t you and your ilk, go back to your home, and let the rest of us do our part to make what was once a great community, a great place again.

On a final note, don’t you even question your association to Blackie? Everybody in the community knows how we feel about him, and we are all glad that his drama-fest site is finally down and out. If that douche is affiliated with your site, god knows how bad it really is. Get a fucking clue.
Beagle Says:

Grow a pair, ANON. Till then, fuck off, you spineless turd.
Beagle Says:

I was speaking with the rep from Server.lu again, and he emphatically states that Bubbl3 is lying, and that he did NOT sell the server to anyone other than “customer_1″, which is SavvySeed. I know which of the two I believe at this point, my question would be why Bubbl3 is lying about his involvement with $avvy$eed???
anon Says:

It’s even more refreshing, when you are reduced to that.
haha Says:

^ for both comments
Beagle Says:

It’s all the response you deserve, ANON, until you decide to grow a pair. I highly doubt you ever will, though.
lol Says:

Its a shit hole that was full of politics and in fighting do the decent thing and let the site die.
ZZid Says:

does anyone else get tired of seeing beagles comment…..hit the bricks old man
Wish I was a member… Says:

@ BEAGLE - Funny how you act. Though not surprising at all from reading all your comments. However, it is 100% true what I say. I am not, have not ever been a member of TPS. Honestly, I had never heard of TPS ’till today, nor had I known about the drama that has been and is now taking place ’till this morning. I have just read FSF new article post today as I do every Sunday morning, and then read the comments to find your immature and childish remarks.

Believe what you wish BEAGLE. I assure you you are incorrect in your assumptions, and are just making a bigger ass out of yourself. You may continue doing so as I find your comments and remarks quite funny.
Beagle Says:

Sorry, but you’re full of shit, WISH I WAS…
Beagle Says:

So, fanboys and staff members… why won’t any of you answer my questions, instead all you can do is act like little childred and try to call me names…

I was speaking with the rep from Server.lu again, and he emphatically states that Bubbl3 is lying, and that he did NOT sell the server to anyone other than “customer_1″, which is SavvySeed. I know which of the two I believe at this point, my question would be why Bubbl3 is lying about his involvement with $avvy$eed???
ZZid Says:

nobody gives a fuck goddamn what part of that cant you understand
Beagle Says:

I might add that not only is he lying about his involvement, but he’s also making very libelous claims about Server.lu. He’ll be damn lucky if they don’t sue him for his remarks.
Does it have to be that Obvious? Says:

Beagles…really SHUT THE FUCK UP!
ZZid Says:

can i get a amen
ZZid Says:

hallelujah praise black jebus
Wish I was a member… Says:

LOL @ ZZID

Hey, if you happen to have an invite, let me know. The IRC channel shows a blank page for me, and the java plug-in installation page is showing “Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to java.com”. If not, no worries. I believe the java site is not showing due to my peerblock. LOL
Cixent Says:

i dont understand
http://unlimitedlink.us
David1967 Says:

One of the problems I have with this is the former staff that have been allowed to come back. These are the same people who did nothing to stop that ego-maniacal, power hungry broad NiNeCaT from banning just about every quality member TPS originally had (hell they were actively cheering her on). I don’t want to hear this BS about “well they had no other choice as they weren’t in a position to do anything about it”, they could of easily resigned being staff because they didn’t like what was happening, but did they? NO, they didn’t, they actively took part in it and cheered it on. Yet, now they are being rewarded for their lack of backbone and given their former positions back.

If you really want to make a fresh start, dump those people and select new ones from the quality members who come back. If not, all you have really done is replace the head of the dragon, but the faulty parts still stay the same…..

And don’t say none of them didn’t actively cheer her on as I have the screens and logs to prove it.
Noha Says:

He’s directly involved with SavvySeed, and he now somehow apparently owns (stole) a site where he had no prior authority, and he wants to portray himself as some kind of saint or savior??

That’s a very good point
dogod01 Says:

I was a member of TPS for quite a while, & while I was not very active I did browse & read posts. What I remember is that TPS seemed to be a pretty decent place when Beagle was around, & went pretty much went down hill after he left. Was he leaving the only reason for the decline? No, but it was a big part of it.
Like I said, I wasn’t real active, but I was around enough to know that Beagle put shitloads of time & work into that place, just to be blown off in the end. To all you criticizing him for his posts now & in the past…How would you react in the same situation? After pouring time & work into something & then pretty much have it pulled out from under you, I’m sure you’d be pissed off too, unless it was something that meant little to you (or your just spineless)
I for one don’t blame him one bit.
JordySTAMS Says:

I will have to agree with David1967 on this one 100%
JIM_LOTION_MAKER Says:

hilarious penis jemlors posting on this shit…
Wish I was a member… Says:

@ DOGOD01 - How do you think others who have nothing to do with this sees BEAGLE portraying himself today in here? You know, you could be correct with what you say, however it is BEAGLE’s actions today in here that is leading our opinions about him.

There are MANY ways to accomplish what he is trying to do, however the way he is doing it today is NOT the correct way.

“How would you react in the same situation?”. With this question, you are implying EVERYONE who reads FSF knows exactly what is/was going on at TPS. As I said before, I know nothing about what is/was going on with this site ’till this morning, and all opinions will be based on what is said here, and how people conduct themselves while doing so.
anona Says:

BEAGLE you rock dude… It’s pretty amazing how some will pay for crap… I wish you’d put up a site just to prove a point… but than again…
zebus Says:

Agree with David, that’s the same point I’m trying to make clear on the forums right now and hopefully other people feel the same way. Some staff changes are definatly in order to get the site back on track at a decent rate.
dogod01 Says:

@ wish I was member…

If all you know about it is what you’ve found out today, then how can you form an opinion?
The short story is, Beagle was staff there, some shady things started happening, He brought those things to light & was banned for his troubles.
As far as anything he’s said here today or in the past goes, many derogatory remarks have been made about him too, so don’t form an opinion until you have the complete picture. Go do some research.
Anonymous Says:

beagle and everyone else trying to kill TPS:

Please stop. stop inquiring stuff about the site with the server, they shouldn’t be giving YOU any info at all. I’ve never taken any leadership position at TPS, nor would I want to, but it was a fun place to hang out and I got and gave lots of help to people on the site about non-torrent stuff. In addition, I got into most of the top trackers through my affiliation with tps. Places that people on etiv say “ther’s not been a giveaway on any site” - yea there was, on TPS tho where I happily lived by all the “restrictive” rules that made TPS a safe place for torrenters and for tracker reps.

as to the savvy seed stuff:

to the rank and file users like myself, it doesn’t matter. sure if you are spending your whole life on the site, Beagle, and then someone is getting rich off your work, that would piss me off too. But from the perspective of most users at TPS, the site was running great, expenses were being paid every month, invites to the best trackers were plenty, hell they were even giving users FREE USE OF THE SEED BOX. If some of them were making a little on the side, more power to them!

Bubbl3 and the current staff:

please

1) acknowledge what has happened and take responsibility for it.

othersna said “lets not dwell on the past, lets move forwrd” (paraphrasing), but that is bullshit. we, the loyal members who didn’t quit our accoutns when shit hit the fan at tps, want the situation acknowledged, and a formal apology for what happened in the past. we need closure with the past, not just “lets not dwell on it.” Even though everyone in Germany can’t be held responsible for Hitler’s actions, Germany acknowledged the holocaust and apologized for it.

2) remove the old staff.

even after they apoligize and acknowledge the past, they don’t need to be in position of power RIGHT AWAY. they need to earn the trust back and show some fucking humility.

3) remove the spam button

it was a joke that some people wanted, but it is stifeling to conversation. if u want to disagree, make a post about it and explain why instead of just saying “f u”

4) allow free speech - which means don’t run away from anything labeled as “drama” which is like “national security” - when you say that party line, you can do any kind of unethical shit in the name of protecting it (national security) or avoiding it (drama). Bull shit. We need to be free to say negative things. That is not drama. That is a safeguard against the recent tyranny. the “drama” needs to be addressed, not deleted or swept under the rug.

5) bring savvy seed back to the site to make sure it never has $ issues again and start the lottery for its use again
Sidulator Says:

I can’t believe some of the old staff were given their positions back. What a fucking shame. That’s all I’ll say about that. To think that TPS will be like it was with some of those douche bags running the show is an exercise in futility.
Anonymous Says:

…amusing comments so far

I’m not a member of TPS and wasn’t going to bother commenting until I saw ninecats name in the article - is this the same NiNeCaT that was leaking Windows ME builds/betas 10+ years ago?
Wish I was a member… Says:

@ DOGOD01 - Opinions will be formed on a public forum such as this via the information that is provided to the public to base those opinions.

If there is information that is being missed, then provide it for others to properly form an opinion. Going around calling people names, degrading them, and picking fights as BEAGLE has done is not the proper way of doing such even on a public forum. So BEAGLE has some bad interactions and is upset now. You still do not act like a spoiled 8 year old on a public forum.

Back to the lack of information provided… Everyone seems pretty clear that the author of this article did not provide the information you would have wanted to be mentioned. Well, now is your time to do such. Telling someone they are wrong, and asking them to search the web, talk to other trackers, do your own research will NEVER happen. What if all the information found lead to the exact opposite of your opinion? You would never let it go, and fight ’till the end saying that you are still right. You would never be happy.

This is a public forum. Everyone has their own opinions. They come here to read the articles, and then read the comments to view other people’s opinions. Then if they feel, they will comment on their opinions based on the article and what others had to say. Nobody is going to be spending hours looking on the web just to make sure their opinion is up to par with the amount of research you believe should have been implemented.

Please DOGOD01, and others…. If you want proper opinions to be based, provide proper information for others to read and base opinions on. Perhaps if everyone did so maturely, then we all actually may be able to hold a proper discussion.

Thanks.
anon666 Says:

IRC working for anyone?
Obviously Says:

Obviously it isn’t the original Beagle posting here and it’s just one of the ex-staff members who are pissed and whinning.

The original Beagle wouldn’t be such a douchebag and he’s basically done with the site. See him for what he is:

A troll using the name of someone who is remebered in good light. Whoever you are, you had your chance to run the site properly and you failed. Quit being a bitch and slinging obvious false allegations.

I’m glad it’s not the previous staff coming back because they were so full of themselves, but in the end they couldn’t run shit.
pissshivers Says:

Bout time I responded here I guess…

I know Beagle will see my response as biased for obvious reasons, after all I am listed as Sysop along with bubbl3…

But honestly Beagle, you know just as well as me that bubbl3 never made money off Savvy, I dont get this hatred towards savvy anyways, a non-profit organization that started making money, they flagged out and that’s it really. Savvy was made into the biggest scapegaot in TPS history and you’re just here to start a new fire…

Do you think I made the 160 euros I paid from Savvy? Yea I’m probably getting money from em as well, or wait Wall-E probably paid me for access to the forums again…

Naw man, I can understand your hatred towards TPS, however most of the old-timers seem to have faith in us so come on over and have a chat with me in IRC mate, I’ll update you on where we stand at the moment.

Glad to see you all back at TPS btw, I really do have faith in this, with the old crew back and some great plans for the future.
Bamboo Says:

As one of the original pool of members over at TPS, it kind of sucks to see so much in-fighting going on (beyond what already has). TPS was a great site, and hopefully can be once again. Main thing I noticed was lack of activity, less and less people on.

You know, I never got involved in the board politics and I try not to. But I will say after seeing so many members who I knew to be good members being banned really sucked. And it just seemed after a while people just stopped coming around. I’m not familiar with the why’s and where’s of how Beagle got banned…but I do remember him and he always seemed pretty straight up to me. But maybe I don’t have a valid opinion.

Point being, is that the fighting that’s gone on has surely hurt the site and it’s community. Bubbl3 I don’t know, so hopefully we can leave all the drama behind and go forward for a better community for all of us. The “transfer of a server and user information” bit seems sketchy to say it lightly. And for me at least assuming that’s what happened should raise quite a bit of suspicion for Server.lu, as well as the practices of a lot of these server companies in the BT biosphere. I just hope the drama can stop and we end up getting a better community.

Anyway, my hopeful and optimistic words for the evening. As ironic and strange as that might seem for me.
ELJOKER Says:

damn 95 comments in less than 24 hours tou realy get scoop on this one sharky
Cherokee Says:

Personally, I think it’s better to keep the old staff members that want to stay on for now. I know that everybody is not going to agree with me. However, I had a private conversation with one of them a few days ago, and know how much that person cares about TPS. Lots of us have been on staffs that had someone go on a serious power trip, and everyone who has knows that some of us feel compelled to quit because of the problem, and some people decide they can ride it out. Nobody is going to agree on everything all of the time. If they did, you’d have to seriously wonder about the intelligence of the staff members. I think that by keeping on the staff that they’re keeping, they’re giving everybody in the community a chance to reconcile. This is the best possible scenario that could have happened, as far as I’m concerned. Now, what it comes down to is, do the members actually care enough about their community to dig in, and make the place the best thing going, or not?
This is great! Says:

Man, TPS is happenin, glad to see alot of old/new faces
sanjid Says:

@ANONYMOUS

Germany absolutely can be held responsible for the Holocaust, because they didn’t do anything to stop it, when they knew it was going on. Their silence made them complicit. That’s why I spoke out when I left TPS.
Anonymous Says:

@SANJID

If you mean that othersna and megatron were complicit then that is my point and they should acknowledge, apologize, and probably step down as staff

100.##### cheezecake Says:

Hmmmm?

(Please stop ddosing SCC! Whoever you are)

101.##### Beagle Says:

@pissshivers: What do you mean Savvy was made out to be a scapegoat?
Do you not yet realize that Savvy is what started the downfall of
TPS? The fact that it made money had nothing to do with it, it was
all of the deceit and dishonesty associated with it. Savvy was NOT
started as a seedbox company, it was started as a project of TPS by
TPS staff and was intended to benefit the TPS community. Period.

If you don’t believe me, go ahead and read post #10441

Along with the original lies and deceit about Savvy, now you have
one of it’s associates in possession of the entire site, all the
while lying and claiming to have no involvement with Savvy. I spoke
with the staff from Server.lu earlier today, and they emphatically
stated that the TPS server was ONLY returned to it’s previous owner,
which was Savvy, NOT an unassociated third party, as Bubbl3 claimed
in his comments here. That begs the question of: Why is he lying?

102.##### Red Says:

Yep. My turn to chip in.

Beags, dude, move on. I dont give a shit about your agenda dude, I
fucked off from TPS the second that NiNeCuNt decided to treat me
like an arse, and set up as many invisible sysops behind the scenes
as she wanted to. She couldnt be trusted, hence, the brief downfall
of TPS.

As for Savvy, dude, who gives a shit? Does that ruin my time in IRC
whoring it up? No. And most importantly, did that stop you from
giving Savvy a testimonial for that awesoeme Manowar box that you
held so dearly for how long?

Dude, move on. its getting old.

As for everyone else, dont feed the troll. He will eventually
disappear.

103.##### Elizabeta Says:

\*hands RED the hat\*

Beagle made TPS the place to trust in the BitTorrent world. For all
who do not know or acknowledge his service, you should be ashamed.

Give respect where it is due, come clean about lies, and you will be
trusted.

For anyone here who is new to TPS, please help ensure the community
is open, safe, and honest. If it isn’t and you have questions - ASK.
If you don’t get the answers you need. LEAVE.

\*\* It is MUCH WORSE in the BT community to become associated with
drama and scandal - especially on an INVITE FORUM - than to quietly
leave and build relationships elsewhere that you can count on.\*\*

FYI for n00bs - you DO NOT NEED a BitTorrent FORUM (invite forum) to
get invites to private trackers. Do not put up with drama to get
something you THINK you can’t get any other way. Also, do NOT BUY,
SELL or TRADE Invites or Accounts, ever, period.

1) Join a private tracker through an interview or open signup
(FileNetworksBlog and FileShareFreak are great resources for this
information - thank you sharky, and LST)  
 2) Get involved in the community there  
 3) Make friends with people who have earned your trust  
 4) DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN INTERNET DRAMA  
 5) Be honest in all your dealings  
 6) You will receive invites from people you can trust, based on
your close relationships.

Just stay away from the “easy solutions” They are not easy, and you
WILL be caught, found out, and banned from the BT community.

This is a closed community for good reason. Tracker staff know each
other and talk.

TPS has a shit reputation amongst Tracker staff right now. Be very
careful about your association with it, and if it does not become
reputable again, leave.

You will know if it becomes reputable again, by how many Tracker
Staff recruit there - and from WHICH TRACKERS.

Back in the day, TPS was the ONLY place where invites to certain
highly secret trackers were offered. For example: \*\* (private
movie tracker), \*\*\* (Very private community based tracker), and
others…

I remember it all. I recruited many good members there, and I miss
the old TPS, under Beagle’s watchful eye, very much.

I also know pissshivers to be a good man, David1967 and JordyStams
as well. Additionally, castagnety is worthy of trust in all things.
If they are involved, go to them and ask questions.

Just please, watch your step.

\- Your Humble Servant

104.##### punkie Says:

Just my 2 cents Beagle(or whoever has posted here under his good
name)’s post has made it clear that bubbl3 is not to be trusted and
he is out to once again fuck TPS over. Please dont believe in bubbl3
until and unless he actually dedicates all the money earned from
savvyseed to TPS. Then we will see how earnest he is or it is just a
moneygrab oppurtunity.

105.##### Red Says:

re - Elizabeta: I probably should have been a bit clearer. Beagle
was always a damn good guy back in the day at TPS, and the work that
he did at TPS was seriously unmatched. Dont get me wrong, the guy
has a ton of respect from me in that area, however, the fact remains
that TPS is a place that I respect, and I dont want to see get any
worse than it was. Anyone who tells me that Beags is hellbent on
seeing the place die, even if he said it himself, I would call it
bullshit. Why? Because of the time that he invested in the place.
N3v3R installed code on a server, Beagle made the place, and fuck,
if N3v3R returns, he can ban me for that one if he has the balls,
but I call it as it is.

As for Beagle, I would love the day that I got to see him return,
however, I just cant see it happening any time soon. Beagle welcomed
me to TPS on day one, I would love to welcome him back. However, I
have never lied to anyone about anything at TPS, so I dont see why
people like me who just enjoy the place should be punished for
whatever reasons of motive that he has. I just like the place. That
is all.

You are right though, there are some great people who have returned
to TPS in the past few days, it is blowing my mind, and although
there are a few gaps left to fill, I hope that we really can see a
return to the good old days. Fuck, I know I’m putting in an effort,
and for one, it has been as close to March 2009 as it ever has in
IRC today, so shit, bring it on. This may very well be the end of
the shit that went down.

Again, I will say it. Beags has my respect, I just think that there
is a little bit too much hypocrisy going on at the moment, and it is
starting to stink a little.

106.##### Mayoko Says:

Punkie,

What you don’t realize is that Savvy has split from TPS quite awhile
back, and has no affiliations what-so-ever with TPS any longer. TPS
has been, and will continue to rely on the support of it’s members
via donations, to be able to keep flourishing and prosper.

One thing that has been made clear by admin/sysop of the board, is
that we are to be a transparent community. One clear example of
this, will be a complete breakdown of the expenses involved that
justify the amount of donations needed to keep things running
smoothly (something that never has been implemented in the past),
which is something alot of trackers should be doing, to avoid having
fiasco’s from other trackers that can just set some donation bar,
saying wow we are @ 30%, please keep donating till we get to our
magic 100%, without ever acknowledging if it even at the very least
just cover server expenses vs. buying my new porche, or even
diapers.

We would love for you to give as much input whether it be positive
or negative in our forums, so we can bring all of our ideas
together, brainstorm, discuss, and eventually implement what the
community wants, which is something that clearly wasn’t happenning
before. So please, come join us over @ TPS, and check it out for
yourself.

We are only looking for quality members, who will contribute to the
site, and help build our members up, so they can become empowered
with the very knowledge they need to survive on a tracker, and not
only that, flourish. We can only get stronger by having an united
front. Our policy is that you are able bring forth your ideas,
without moderation, to be discussed in a healthy environment. As
long as the discussions remain civil, then you have nothing to worry
about censurship (which only was on the increase towards the
downfall of the site)

Hope this helps.

107.##### zzenn Says:

Just want to point out that TPS is under completely new leadership.
Things will be very different from how they’ve been recently. Also,
give it a few days before passing judgement. Things are still being
cleaned up and issues ironed out.

Elizabeta, everything you said is true. However, these points also
ring true for TPS:

2) Get involved in the community there  
 3) Make friends with people who have earned your trust  
 4) DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN INTERNET DRAMA  
 5) Be honest in all your dealings  
 6) You will receive invites from people you can trust, based on
your close relationships.

Many trackers have invite give away/request threads/sections that
function as mini invite forums. The difference is really minimal.
The biggest difference is that TPS hosts no tracker. The community
is also awesome at TPS, now that a boatload of old members have
returned.

FYI: Nobody is taking from Beagle the massive effort he put in.
Least of all me, considering I defended his position back in the day
- and he knows this.  
 The fact, however, is that nobody is going to make any profit off
TPS now. Economy will be transparent and any extra funds will
benefit the community, as they should have done in the past.  
 There is no reason to go on attacking the site anymore. The old
crew is gone. It would have been nice to be given the benefit of
doubt, instead of coming out with all guns blazing, before the site
even has a chance to get up on its feet.  
 Luckily, most of the old members seem to not care about this drama
and are instead happy the site is back, which is how it should be.
So stop frowning and start smiling. Beagle is welcome to visit too
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

108.##### anonymous Says:

Beagle,

We would love proof of the so-called excessive profits that instead
of being re-invested BACK into Savvy-Seeds/community (which seemed
to be the official line) were instead diverted into someone’s
pocket. Come clean on this, so we can truely see your POV. You
certainly would get more respect from people.

This time, pls. don’t just make a statement about what you saw, and
how you had to do something about it, back it up!

109.##### Elizabeta Says:

Thank you for your replies, RED and zzenn, I know you both to be
quality people that I respect.

Much love,

\- Your Humble Servant

110.##### my th30ry Says:

oh RED aren’t u the person who created “TEAM REDtheHAT” against all
banned people in support of 9cat  
 how can we believe you ?

111.##### robjungle Says:

I can´t stand netdrama and politics, but just wanted to say as a tps
member that I would rather another tps member now had access to
whatever personal info the site has of mine, than tps be destroyed,
which was clearly what the previous owners were prepared to let
happen.

I think it´s a great thing pissshivers and Bubbl3 have done for the
site and the members that were sorry to see what had become of it.
Anybody who doesnt wish the site well, why would you even bother
posting?!

I´m very glad tps is back, very grateful to those responsible.

112.##### TPS, lawl Says:

TPS interview is a joke, you need to wait for hours over some days
to get interviewd, and then when I finally got to be interviewd, the
guy said i was a trader for using 2 diferent nicks in my trackers. A
total waste of time and the interviewer was plain ignorant.

Guess to be aproved you just need to say “I’m a moron who don’t have
any trackers and don’t know a shit about torrenting, now give me FTN
and E\*\*\*\*”. Stay with those newbs TPS, since you don’t want
experienced torrenters.

I bet NineCat need to buy some make up, and the money from donations
was there…

113.##### Mayoko Says:

TPS, LAWL

If you bothered to read the article, it clearly states that from now
on a web submisson form is going to be used in lieu of the previous
interview process.

If you wanna signup, then you can go about doing it this way. Not
sure if it’s been implemented, but it appears that staff are busy
updating TPS, and getting the forum to where it should be. It might
take some time to get everything setup properly, but just like
getting into the trackers you really wanna be at, you need patience.

BTW, most trackers usually only allow you to have one account at a
time. If you are using a different nick on IRC, sometimes it’s
allowed, sometimes not. Just read the rules, they usually are
clearly stated about such things.

Also, you don’t need to worry about what the donations are going to
go towards now, there is a clear mandate which states that ALL
expenses will be broken-down, so everybody knows exactly where the
donations are for, and how much the totally setup is going to be
per/month.

114.##### Mayoko Says:

Elizabeta,

Thanks for all the great advice. If people follow what you have
suggested, everybody would be much better off. If you are the same
person I think you are, I really appreciate you giving me a start
somewhere, it made a world of difference. I personally hope you come
back, cuz you certainly livened things up when you were there.

115.##### TPS, LAWL Says:

I have a nick for the trackers X, Y, Z and for the tracker A, B, C i
have other, because i joined them months later, they are not dupes.

Doesn’t matter how it will be handled, the questions will be tha
same and the answer probably will be the same, “lulz, you have 2
nicks? don’t trust you, you are traderz!”

No i don’t wan’t to join TPS anymore, i will give my invites
somewhere else, especially after this. Maybe i will give etiv a
shot.

For anyone applying for TPS: just say you are a newb with no
trackers and wants to get started and they will aprove you, don’t
give any info to those guys. Better yet, don’t join then.

116.##### Mayoko Says:

TPS, LAWL

This is not how it works now. Again, you can use the web submission
form that will become active shortly, and indicate any information
that you believe might be of importance to your tracker activity,
etc. so we have a clear idea of your background, which will give us
a better picture of wheter you would be a qualified candidate or
not.

After this, and if things don’t work out to your satisfaction, and
if you feel that you are being unfairly treated, I’m sure that you
can join our IRC help channel, and it can be discussed further with
staff, who can get into more details with you about things, and
verify that everything on your end does check out, or any
outstanding conflicts can be resolved.

Even if you are an honest, straight up guy, you have to look at it
in the view of our POV. We are doing our best to prevent invite
traders, or sellers from ever being able to infiltrate TPS, and our
known as a save-haven for responsible users who respect trackers
(lots more goodies there, because people are willing to share their
knowledge, and have fun at the same time) Also keep in mind,
depending on when you took the interview, you may have been dealing
with a staff member who could of been hostile (it could of happenned
due to the conflicts that were taking place @ TPS, towards their
downfall) This will not occur again, as we have new staff that we
all can put trust towards.

Being there, I am slowly but surely getting the impression that
things are going back to the way they should be, a great place to
chill, where you have a voice, and not have to worry about being
banned, because you want to express yourself (within reason)

If you are somone with outstanding character, I hope you do go in,
and as you can tell by my post I only have the good intentions of
TPS in mind. I hope this clears things up for you.

117.##### TPS, LAWL Says:

MAYOKO  
 You seem to be resonable, unlike the guy who interviewed me.

TPS called me scum once (trader) for telling the truth and i won’t
forgive that. I went for what i heard of you, i don’t need any more
trackers, but i do have several invites parked at my accounts.  
 When i was idling at the IRC i was aways talking with the newbs
there, not a single one said that they want to learn about private
trackers, or have a place to share his ideas, ALL the reasons for
joining TPS were “I want TL” or “I want What.cd but i don’t wan’t to
study for the interview” and stuff like that, and all of them got
acepted.

From what i saw at the IRC and for being called a trader by the
interviewer i can imagine what this “community” looks like from
inside. I don’t know if you are staff there, you don’t seem to be
like what i saw, but if you guys put that type of character who
accused me of trading to interview… no thank you, but i don’t want
to be a part of TPS.

And i would assume my e-mail is banned from there, since i got
rejected, so even if i was minimun interested to join i couldn’t.

118.##### Anon Says:

Both of these sites are useless fucking garbage with a bunch of
scammers and trolls trhat suck each others dick. Seriously what
fucking purpose do ypou serve other then to beg for a dollar from
me? You dont do shit motherfuckers. I was in both of those shitty
sites, this all is just a ploy anyways, its the trackers that
deserve ALL of the credit. Not some fucking wannabe telling about
the place.

119.##### Red Says:

@MY TH30RY, I never once stated my support for NiNeCat, and only
ever invested my support in getting some kind of balance back to
TPS, which again, is a place I firmly believe in. My support for TPS
has never ended, and in fact, a protest was staged when I chose not
to return to TPS until all of this crap had been blown over. If you
had access to the DP forum (which you probably dont), you would be
able to see what I mean.

It was only the day (and by that, I mean the very split second) that
TPS was back up and running under new leadership that I could trust
that I made a return.

So yeah, before you acuse me of an allegiance to NiNeCaT, might pay
to ask around a little first. Just check her rep on TPS, believe me,
I am against her in every way possible, and what she bought to TPS.

120.##### Red Says:

Oh, and to back ip up, the whole team redthehat shindig was a term
that was coined up by another member on TPS when I expressed how
pissed I was at the state of how people were reacting on TPS. My
idea was “Who gives a shit, it has happened, lets get on with
things”, and was in no way intended to support the banning of anyone
at all. If that is what you believe, then I am not too sure where
you get your info from but you may want to question your source. I
still to this day hold people such as Muddslinger, BlastGT1,
SteveAllison, and David1970 as damn good people that are an asset to
the bit torrent community, and that is something that will never
change, regardless of how many people want to try and mould words
around.

121.##### Mayoko Says:

TPS, LAWL

You don’t have to worry about the interview process anymore.
Thankfully the new staff in charge, have realized that the interview
process just wasn’t working out. I personally never had problems
when going through the interview process, although at the time you
were going through the interview process prehaps there had been some
unfortunate staff changes, and some of the rogue staff members were
involved with that whole debacle.

So when you do go through the web submission form, state as much
information as possible, and come clean with everything (stuff
happens sometimes, but it doesn’t mean the end of the world) I’m
pretty sure they will check things out, and could take some time to
go over all your details, but in the end it’ll be worth it to ya. I
know some of the staff that are now on the new TPS, and they have
always been fair with the dealings with myself and others.

And btw, I don’t think that’s what TPS is all about, just a place
where people can score invites so easily. It takes time to prove
your worth there, and people have to put alot of effort to show that
they would be great additions to the communities they wish to join.
Sometimes people just don’t know much about the tracker world, and
its up to us to educate them on how appropriate behaviour is where
your at, which helps them become “expert torrenters” Having said all
this, it gives people a chance to bond and build relationships of
trust, so others can give them the opportunity to be invited to
where they wanna belong. That’s how these things take place.

If your email was banned for whatever reason, then feel free to join
up @ the TPS Help IRC channel (whenever it does get posted) and
explain your case, and see where it goes from there.

Lastly, in the case of these kinda fourms, don’t just judge an IRC
channel as to how a community is like, base it on what you see when
your on the forum, then you’ll have a much better idea. Sometimes
thing happen in IRC, people have their moments, but things work
themselves out, and I think that’s the general policy of what TPS
stands for now, and in the future.

Peace.

122.##### Elizabeta Says:

MAYOKO,

Yes, I’m the same person you think I am &lt;3

I’m very glad you got a foothold and made something of it.

I’m sure I will see you ’round the ‘net.

Also, I’m with RED (thehat) on the reputations of BlastGT1,
Muddslinger and SteveAllison. Good people, who treated me well.

Plato said this 2000 years ago, and it is still true:

“Be kind, everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle”

Much Love,

\- Your Humble Servant

p.s. Firesign Theatre said this about 40 years ago, and it’s still
true:

“We’re all bozos on this bus!”

123.##### Mayoko Says:

Glad to see you back Red!

As the people he mentioned in his above posting (including himself)
these people are the ones that have always cared about TPS, and
would bend over backwards to make the community balanced and fair.
We’ve always had a fun time all around, till certain power-hungry
individuals took over, and slowly but surely removed every good
member that was there, and it was sad to see red gone over those
kinda terms, he didn’t do anything wrong.

124.##### Mayoko Says:

Elizabeta,

Always the philosopher
![:P](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)

125.##### Mayoko Says:

@ ANON

And you have no fucking clue as to what the whole purpose of these
forums are. A place to get to know people, and hopefully based on
their actions allow them to get a chance to be somewhere, they might
not be able to get into any other way (for example they don’t know
people who had an invite, and said Tracker didn’t have open reg, or
irc interviews, etc.)

Part of the purpose of TPS was to become tracker friendly, to have a
meetup place so tracker staff could get a chance to know people, and
to their discretion, give them an opportunity to prove themselves
worthy of being at a certain place. The only thing that is valid
about what you said is that trackers are ALL about what makes it
happen, and what makes the scene. They serve their purpose, we serve
ours.

Based on your description, pretty amounts to all the BS invite
trading/seller sites out there, that have no ethics what-so-ever,
and prob. would sell their dead mother’s gravestone just to get in.
Maybe you should scroll down FSF a little more, and you can get all
the links you need on a recently posted article, might help you out.

126.##### Mayoko Says:

Forgot to add, that there are so many other goodies that are there,
but you gotta earn your place there to get a chance to receive your
just reward.

127.##### Beagle Says:

@Red, and all of the others telling me to “move on”: you have it
backwards, it’s you who need to move on. You’re in a serious case of
denial and you’re chasing a Utopia that simply doesn’t exist.

So, you simpletons can sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya, and
about peace and love and how everything is great in the world, but I
still have to wonder why you’re completely ignoring the fact that
Bubbl3 is lying to you.

So far, all the cult members have done is to call me names and try
to discredit me (almost all anonymously, too, I might add), but not
one of them has answered any of my questions.

128.##### Beagle Says:

CULT CHARACTERISTIC No. 3:

Isolating the Sheep.

Cult leaders must control the information reaching their followers
if they are to retain power over them. Therefore they must isolate
followers from potential critics. Most likely such criticism will
first come from family or friends of the new recruit; therefore
early in the convert’s training he/she will be instructed to
minimize association with family. Such attempts, of course, will be
accompanied by a shower of attention by the new “spiritual family,”
in order to soften the blow of estrangement, from (former) loved
ones. Isolation from past influences accomplished, control of
converts will yet be but partial if any free flow of information
remains unchecked. Therefore recruits will be discouraged from –
even made to feel guilty about – reading “spiritual pornography”,
literature critical of the group. Any such criticism will be viewed
as “persecution”. In most cults, much pressure is exerted to keep
the members in as much ignorance as possible. The leaders
perpetually provide numerous impressive ‘facts’ to support their few
causes and equally numerous insights on how to live an “unworldly”
or holy life (but in fact keep such people ignorant of the true Way
of salvation, and in bondage to personal sin). Fascinated by the
seeming wisdom and holiness of the leaders, and loaded down with too
many activities and information to process, each believer is easily
captivated. Soon every thought of the believer is held captive to
the self-appointed prophet of the group.

129.##### Don’t you get it? Says:

Of course Beagle, based on the privledge of you being there, you
would know that this Utopia just doesn’t exist right? Why don’t you
actually show up @ TPS for a change, instead of having your foot in
your mouth, since you obviously don’t know shit about what you are
talking about, just another attempt at painting a picture that ends
up looking like a 5 year old’s doodling for the first time.

As for cults, it almost appears that all your faithful cult
followers over @ ETIV have followed the party line, saying what was
necessary under the FSF article bearing your name to make yourselfs
appear like a nice, peaceful, gated community where no shit could
ever take place. I guess people fail to realize that Blackie, and
any of his minions can safely take refuge there. Don’t even want to
know what shit happens over there. Strangely enough, there was
minimum bashing taking place there, only here (prehaps because
nobody really gave two hoots about ETIV, or others just wouldn’t
stoop to the level/vendetta that has taken place from a very small
minority over here)

Why try to hound your way around, like some rabid dog that doesn’t
even know how to bark properly, uncontrolable drool dripping from
it’s gapin jaw, when your only intention is to ensure that TPS could
never get a foothold again. Simply to elminate the competition? Is
that why you keep insisting for people to answer questions (which as
far as we’re concerned have been answered sufficiently) and
wondering why they are impotent at best. Like trying desperately to
get an errection, but realizing you only have a limp dick (ie.
nothing there)

While we’re at it, why don’t you answer a persons inquiry that was
just recently posted, since you are all about making sure people ask
questions: (and please…since you have all this valuable evidence,
actually provide it this time)

——————————————————————————————————————  
 We would love proof of the so-called excessive profits that instead
of being re-invested BACK into Savvy-Seeds/community (which seemed
to be the official line) were instead diverted into someone’s
pocket. Come clean on this, so we can truely see your POV. You
certainly would get more respect from people.

This time, pls. don’t just make a statement about what you saw, and
how you had to do something about it, back it up!  
 ——————————————————————————————————————

130.##### Someone has no RL Says:

Beagle,

You must monitor this article 24/7, based on the quick turn-around
on your responses, do you even have a RL, or does this consume your
whole being? You should become a lobbyist over in Washington, be a
great career move on your part.

131.##### Beagle Says:

Thank you for proving my point, DON’T YOU GET IT…. I’ll assume
that’s not your usual nick. lol.

Cult followers @ ETIV?? Nice try to discredit both me and ETIV. If
you weren’t just talking out your ass you’d know that I have no
vested interest in ETIV whatsoever. I’m not more than a member
there, and not a very active one at that… 14 posts since June 2009.
What I do have is a great deal of respect for the staff there. In
all my dealings with them they’ve shown themselves to be an honest,
straight forward, fun-loving, and tight-knit bunch. Also, If you had
even half a clue you’d know that Backie is no longer a member there,
and hasn’t been for quite a while.

As for the proof about Savvy… I’ve already posted it.. The truth
about Savvy is what got me banned from TPS. If you want to see it,
look it up.. I’m not your lapdog. (PSST… the mere fact that they
fucked off from TPS taking with them all those profits that were
supposed to be re-invested back to the community should be a huge
clue for you too)

So, I’ve addressed your attempts to discredit me, how about you
address my question. Oh, and could you use your real nick, please. I
like to know who I’m speaking with. Unless you’re too ashamed to,
that is.

132.##### D-Boy Says:

Beagle I used to really respect you but I gotta say how you are
acting in this thread is unbelievable.

First of all I don’t see what the big problem is with SaavySeed
making money in the first place….They provide a service and run a
business, ok maybe they over charge, but guess what people still buy
there product so why not charge that much! And from what I hear
people do because of the wonderful customer service you recieve from
them that you don’t get from other providers.

Secondly, are you really still so bitter that you need to try and
discredit TPS at every given opportunity, I mean grow up or get over
it dude. People can make there own decisions about weather they want
to go back to the forum after all the recent drama they don’t need
you bashing it to help them decide. If you visited the forum at all
in the past few months you know that the previous leadership was
retarded, power hungry and had ruined the site. So for bubbl3 to pay
to keep it going and some of the only quality members that were left
to step up into a leadership roll is admirable.

Lastly cause I know you’ll bring it up, guess what even it bubbl3
does really work with SaavySeed and used theirs funds save the site,
it doesnt make a difference, he saved the site and is trying to
bring it back the enjoyable community it once was.

It’s funny cause I used to respect you for building a respectable
forum, but its funny how in the face of advirsoty, peoples true
colors emerge, and yours surely have. You are a bitter, lonely
person who tries to find joy in making others look bad, when really
all your doing is showing how little life you truly have, to still
be bitching and moaning and trying to make TPS look bad after being
banned like a year ago…..Get a life dude.

And yes I used my real name so you cannot bitch about being Anon

133.##### David1967 Says:

blah blah blah, just get rid of the remaining staff members who were
supportive of the old regime. 2 have already been removed, 1 even
did the right thing and stepped down freely of their own will. Lets
see if the remaining ones have that kind of character… I doubt it
though.

134.##### Proof? Says:

No you actually haven’t posted the proof, still only making an
accusation and pointing a finger into thin air. All you have ever
said was that all this profit-money was not invested back into the
community, instead was diverted elsewhere.

Proof would be actually showing this to be the case, ie. where it
was diverted to, any words/statements indicating that this said
activity was taking place, a spreadsheet showing what profits were
made, and what would happen to them, Screenies/Snapshots of
conversations being said, HARD evidence, etc.

135.##### An addition Says:

Blackie the member may not be there (since of course his infamy
follows him everywhere) but who is to say the person behind Blackie
is still not there? It wouldn’t take much effort to create a new
identity, to start a new life, knowing the horrible, sick feeling of
embarrasment he caused upon himself, for being suck a drama-stirring
dick, only to cause further turmoil down the road, in some way shape
or form, with or without your explicit knowledge. Hell, you let him
in the first place, which is bad enough on it’s own.

If that is not the case, well then that’s great, we can remove this
cancer that has been the diesease of the BT community for sometime.
I just hope he’s not lurking there still…..

136.##### Beagle Says:

@D-Boy: you don’t seem to understand that the issue here isn’t the
profits, or the money, it’s TRUST, and THE TRUTH. That Savvy was
making tons of money is no secret. What you culties fail to remember
is that the money from Savvy was supposed to be for the TPS
community, not a few greedy souls. Savvy was created by TPS and was
for TPS, and the fact is that it was hijacked and the money was
stolen. You may not mind being fucked in the ass, but I don’t care
all that much for it, so yeah, I am a little bitter over it.

So, if you don’t mind that the current owner of TPS is a part of
that group that stole from you and is now openly lying about his
involvement with that group, and if you don’t care why he’s lying to
you, that’s fine with me, but as long as all you want to do is call
me names and make up stuff to try to discredit me instead of just
answering my questions, then I’ll just keep on posting.

137.##### Anonymous Says:

Tis true that at one time I did respect Beagle, and what he stood
for, that he was a person of integerity, and wouldn’t put up with
shit that shouldn’t be taking place. It’s his actions towards the
end of his banning that did him in. He took things too far, wildly
pointing fingers in all directions, because in his eyes he was doing
the right thing, meanwhile, it was simply a dilusion on his part, as
nothing of what he was accusing TPS/SavvySeeds of doing was taking
place. I can see his stance of it being a non-profit (any profits
generated being put back into the service) as being honorable, since
after all it was suppose to be a community provided service, so all
of us could enjoy it. The only problem was that was actually being
the case, and he could never see it that way of course, and even it
was making a small profit, what difference did it make anyways. I
think it would be fair to compensate the people who are running the
whole operation as a thank-you for doing such a great job. But,
alas, since even a small profit that wasn’t being re-invested back
into the community, did not occur, really puts Beagle’s accusations
to what they are, a dillusion, one that constantly haunted him,
something he couldn’t let go of, and as a result, attacking innocent
victims for such dillusions.

If that isn’t the case, can you finally bring about the HARD
evidence you have Beagle, proving without a shadow of doubt that
this ACTUALLY had occured. Simple words of accusation are pointless,
when there is no substance, no PROOF of it ever occuring. Like you
mention so many times before, why don’t you grow some, and answer
the damn question, and do it properly.

As to SavvySeeds it was/has been known for the quality of service
provided, not to mention the customer service (which is both
provided free, both from members and staff) only because we like to
help each other, as we are a community of sorts. When it was @ TPS
there were so many benefits that were provided back to the community
(which we do not need to get into for privacy reason, it just
occured) and the real reason why SavvySeeds moved away from TPS, was
partially due to the direction that this new evil regime had put in
place, and whatever plans they had in the future, we did not want a
part of. There simply was too much drama, too much hassle, and
senior members of the staff dis-crediting SavvySeeds, and attempting
to ruin the very service itself (if they had their way) It was the
best possible move that staff @ SavvySeeds could of made, and I for
one, am glad that they made the right decision, things have only
gotten better since the seperation from there.

138.##### Anonymous Says:

The reason people were calling you names, is cuz you were just as
guilty as they were about the very thing you are upset about.

139.##### Anonymous Says:

“That Savvy was making tons of money is no secret.” “the fact is
that it was hijacked and the money was stolen”

“So, if you don’t mind that the current owner of TPS is a part of
that group that stole from you”

As mentioned above, please provide HARD evidence/proof of your
statements, as you love to use fact, when it only comes across as
(disllusional) speculation) Until you provide any solid evidence of
your “claims” then how can anybody really believe you Beagle?

As you love to say, Please answer the question?

140.##### Elizabeta Says:

\*hands everyone a nice tall beer\*

Wow, this is a knock-down drag-out.

FFS.

Anyone need a rub-down? I’ve got room in my corner, come and rest up
a bit before the next round… LOL

![;)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)

\- Your Humble Servant

141.##### racerboy99 Says:

HEY EVERYBODY  
 YEAH  
 EVERYBODY  
 JUST SHUT UP AND EAT SOME GOD DAMN CAKE.

142.##### D-Boy Says:

I think the real issue here Beagle is that you are pissed that you
weren’t counted in on the SaavySeed Project and didnt get any of
those benefits, if SaavySeed was truely making thousands of USD as
you say how is all that money going to go back into the site that
has a 60 Euro a month server cost? It wouldn’t, ok each Christmas
maybe give out a few gifts to some lucky users but that at most
would be $1,000 each year. I think that YOU beagle are just pissed
that YOU personally didnt get any of that SaavySeed money, which you
may have deserved at the time, but since have shown you don’t really
deserve any of it, and it should go where it has gone to the hard
working team that is SaavySeed.

Also as you referred to me as, one of you “culties” who doesnt care
that you were fucked over you can know that I haven’t been active at
TPS is over 6 months since all that previous staff was taking over
and turning things to shit, I just think its sad to see what a
bitter scumbag you have evolved into.

The bottom line that I now see is your pissed that you weren’t cut
in on the Saavyseed profits and then outted them for making alot of
money, and were banned from the site and now are so bitter you send
a far amount of your time online bashing TPS as a whole.

Stay Classy Beagle ![;-)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)

143.##### Cherokee Says:

I kind of have to laugh at people yakking on and on about invites.
Maybe you guys thought it was supposed to be an invite forum, but
that has nothing to do with why I joined, and nothing to do with
what I felt that the forums and irc were about. As far as I’m
concerned, they could get rid of all the invite forums, and just
say, whatever, if you want to offer an invite somewhere to someone
you meet here, fine, but that’s just what you do in private.

What I really liked about tps is that it had a fun irc, good radio,
forums where people could and were opinionated, without constantly
having moderators say, be nice and agree with everyone, so you’ll
get along. It had a great arcade, with lots of fun games I used to
love, as well. It was also a place where you could pick up
information about what was happening where. This was more important
than potential invites, because you could talk to people who knew
there.

So I think the invites aren’t really a necessary part of tps, and
people who think that’s what tps is all about missed the actual
point somewhere.

144.##### Yocto Says:

TPS Sucks end off.

145.##### BlueRoxy Says:

hey, you guys disabled my account for no reason…this was done about
2 days before the site was taken down, please re-enable — I am a
contributing member to the site.

146.##### anon Says:

@Beagle  
 You talk about trust and the truth, which is very idealistic. we
know why we’re there for fun, and it doesn’t need to be the epitome
of integrity. I’m gonna ignore all that stuff about cults because I
think you sound like those conspiracy theorists at that point. (its
just and internet forum for lulz, its not like they can impact your
life in any meaningful way)

also, i’m not convinced Bubbl3 is being disingeneous. he said he and
possibly others paid the debt owed to the server. that’s how they
got the site. he may be a little vague on the details and his
affiliation with Savvy, if any, but I don’t think he’s outright
lying. they got the site by paying the debt. seems like a truthful,
though perhaps incomplete, statement.

even assuming that he is lying, for what purpose would you
speculate? give us your worst case scenario.

147.##### Whitey Says:

@Beagle I’m sorry man people are right go back to being with backie
you 2 belong together :). bubbl3 and Wall-E both were contacted many
times from the DC about how to get in contact with the admins of TPS
and since bubbl3 does much business with the same DC and Savvy orig
did host them I’m sure after months of unpaid bills the DC was happy
enough to hand over the server after bubbl3 paid the 3+ months of
past due bills out of his own pocket. I hope TPS will get back to
what it once was a long time ago and that’s an actualy good place
before ninecunt and the rest decided to ban and kick everyone out
for no good reasons.

148.##### Still looking for that proof? Says:

Beagle,

It’s been a few hours, are you still searching for that holy grail
of proof, with the smoking gun? Have you dug and dug, getting more
and more frustrated, all in futile, because you finally came to the
conclusion that everybody else knew, that you were blowing smoke
outta your ass the whole time?

Maybe…finally…we can put this to rest. Your claims are meaningless
statements, that you repeat to yourself, over and over again, just
so you can garnish enough self-esteem to pursue something that never
really took place.

149.##### Whitey Says:

@Beagle the problem with your statements is that no one gives a crap
to what you have to say. The point here is that TPS is back up and
under new hands and much better hands. Let’s hope it can be like it
once was in the past a great community where people can actually
hang out and chat and post reviews and not get banned for no
reasons.

150.##### Oromis Says:

Holy shit over 150 posts! BT Drama

151.##### Beagle Says:

@Whitey: I spoke directly with Server.lu and they did NOT return
that server to anyone other than Savvy. Period. Why Bubbl3 is lying
about that and his involvement in Savvy is for him to explain, but
all the facts point to him being an outright liar.

Also, judging by the comments here, it seems to me that a lot of
people care about what I have to say. They may not like what I’m
saying, but they obviously care. And to all of you who claim to have
lost respect for me… HAHAHAHA… do any of you actually think your
opinion of me is worth any more than the paper this post is written
on?

@D-Boy: to suggest that I’m only angry about not being cut in on the
profits is a laughable suggestion to anyone who actually knows me.
Tell your buddies to have a look in the staff forum and see who it
was that put an end to Wall-E’s plan for Savvy to provide free
seedboxes for the staff.

@ the Anonymous cowards: If you expect to be taken seriously, then
grow a set and post with your real nick. No reasonable person would
lend any credence to anything written by a spineless coward too
afraid to sign his name to it.

152.##### Elizabeta Says:

“@ the Anonymous cowards: If you expect to be taken seriously, then
grow a set and post with your real nick. No reasonable person would
lend any credence to anything written by a spineless coward too
afraid to sign his name to it.”

This is the real truth here. If you want to be part of a community,
own your words, be yourself, and don’t pretend to be /b/rothers when
you are nothing of the sort.

At least /b/rothers actually do something constructive. You are not.
No one can take you seriously. Your Guy Fawkes masks are fakes.

\- Your Humble Servant

153.##### Slynck Says:

Fresh start for TPS maybe….a transparent community… I don’t think
so. People everywhere are all the same, you guys have issues!

154.##### Beagle Says:

@Whitey: I’m also curious, are you the same Whitey I see in various
forums and IRC channels who, every time seedboxes are mentioned,
puts in an ad or plug for SavvySeed?

(sarcasm)  
 Of course I would never doubt that your opinions and comments here
were in any way biased.  
 (/sarcasm)

155.##### There were reasons Says:

Elizabeta,

Some of the people who posted anonymously were not from the /b crowd
(if there were even anybody from the /b club that posted here?) ,
but had their reasons for not revealing who they were, and it’s not
an issue of integrity that is the question, it’s how Beagle handles
affairs, and his method of madness to strike out at anybody that
does oppose him, and some consequences that might result from this.
You may very well at some point be gotten in touch with, so you can
see the reasoning behind all of this, but it is justified, without
having to give an explanation.

The only thing this is has to do with is that Beagle has time and
time again, falsly accused SavvySeeds of wrong-doing, without
providing one shred of solid evidence that SavySeeds was purposly
diverting excess profits into someone pocket for benefit/gain. He’s
averted the question that was repeately asked of him, and because of
his failure to do so, how can one not question his credibility. We
only wanted an actual answer from him, not a bunch of meaningless,
repeated statements that lead no where. Beagle, either man up, and
prove what you are saying is true \[there were examples posted above
on how you would be able to achieve this \] (instead of scoffing it
off as though your statement was as good as gold, which is pretty
much what you said earlier, when suggesting that we look up what was
said as being proof) or drop this whole fiascal.

Why are you trying so hard to undermine the efforts of many others
that care about the BT community, and set out to do what they say
they are going to do, because they care, and want to make a
difference? Only a narc would come after someone so viciously, as
the only reason why they bring up some technicality is the fact that
they are bitter about what happenned, and can’t let things go. You,
and only you are the person that actually cares how TPS was able to
get back online. Nobody else gives a shit. Don’t you even question
why?

156.##### Anonymous Says:

Slynck,

The majority of the negative comments that have been posted on here
(and they aren’t constructive criticism to say the least) are from a
former staff member, who’s only intention is to ensure that TPS is
no longer operationally. Period. He continously attempts to use a
technicality as his only excuse, to be appear noble and rightious,
when his real intention, is to see the demise of a great community
he use to belong to, resurrect itself, and attempt to achieve itself
to it’s former glory.

Inside TPS, the evidence is quite clear of the open, transparent
policy that was promised. Come on over to TPS, and you’ll be able to
see what I’m talking about.

157.##### Slynck Says:

Beagle you are the man, I’m on your side dog, the rest of the guys
are just too fishy and smelly and they will continue to smell just
wait and see. It’s up to you to decide to end all connections that
you have with this guys and stop writing about this matter, because
we all got the point what has happened there and who’s fault that
might be. They got the site, you are no longer with them, the people
already know what people used to run and now run TPS…. so imo I
don’t think you should honour them more with any of your attention.
But it’s up to you mate. Cheers

158.##### Slynck Says:

@, Anonymous

You make me laugh dude, I’m already there and really I don’t see
what you are talking about! And I’m already sure that I will not see
transparency there. You guys are all the same there!  
 FIN

159.##### Beagle Says:

@There were reasons: LMFAO… now you’re trying to portray me as some
kind of big, bad, vicious dog who will attack you for speaking your
mind ![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif) That is just
too fucking funny for words
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

Once again, all the info about Savvy was already posted, it’s there
for you to see if you want it. That’s ancient history, and like I
already pointed out, the fact that they ran away with the seedbox
project and made a company out of it should make it plainly obvious
that it was generating a good deal of cash… to anyone with even half
a clue. The issue here isn’t whether Savvy was/is making a profit,
that is a long foregone conclusion.

I’m not trying to undermine anything. If TPS had been re-created
with a reputable owner, I wouldn’t have cared less. I saw what
appeared to be a very fishy situation, where the new owner of TPS
was claiming that he simply purchased TPS’s server from Server.lu
complete and intact with TPS’s database even though he was not a
previous owner, nor was he directly associated with TPS. That seemed
to me to be a huge privacy and security breach on behalf of
Server.lu. Upon further investigation, it appears that his story
about purchasing it from Server.lu was a lie, and that it was Savvy
who owned the server, and he obtained the server from Savvy, not
Server.lu. Why he would lie about the circumstances surrounding him
obtaining the server, and lie about his involvement with Savvy is
unknown at this point since all you idiots seem to want to do is try
to discredit the guy asking those questions, instead of seeking the
answer to them.

PS: couldn’t grow a pair, eh?

160.##### Wow, you really know yourself Beagle Says:

Without even reading the rest of your dribble, that is exactly what
you have done. You run around, and you yell and scream your
accusations at people, and then when your done with your tirade of
bullshit, you deal with them, and then you walk away as though you
deserve to have a medal for doing the right thing. \*sarcasm\* You
can’t even get your fucking facts straight, you sorry excuse for a
human being, and as you always have come across as, you look ever
more so the asshole you truly are. It’s no wonder why others snicker
behind your back about it, they just don’t want to mention it in
front of you, in case your rage issues flair up again.

161.##### Beagle Says:

…..and still no answers…. just another comment from an anonymous
coward.

Guys… I’m not attacking your cult, I’m just asking a couple of very
simple questions. If those questions had been answered all of this
foolishness could have been avoided. You claim it’s a “new” TPS, but
I just see more of the same old lying, deceit and avoidance.

But yeah, you guys just keep on calling me names and making up shit
to try to discredit me instead of just answering what appear to be
very simple questions… you’re showing the world what the “new” TPS
is all about. Nice job, guys
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

162.##### Slynck Says:

“You claim it’s a “new” TPS, but I just see more of the same old
lying, deceit and avoidance.”

Exactly my point, that’s right Beagle nothing is chaged at TPS. You
said it right, nothing is changed there. You are not my favourite
community anymore!

163.##### What proof? Says:

Beagle,

All you have done is again, attempt to focus on a technicality,
without answering the question that was asked of you.

So you supplied information to us, that has to be credible, and
can’t be question, because it must be assumed as fact. Yet, when
questioned about these statements of information, you still have not
provided ONE shred of evidence backing up these statements you made.

“yes, I was around, until I revealed how much excess profit the
Savvy project was making that wasn’t being used for TPS purposes.
When I revealed that information is when I was banned. They decided
to go with the cash… it didn’t work out too well for them, though.
lol”

Exactly when/where did you reveal this information abouthow much
excess profit was being made? Posts, screens, anything?

“Re-invested? All the profits were re-invested? All the thousands of
\$$ of profit. LMFAO.. how stupid are you ANON?”

Thousands of \$$ of profit….where’s the proof of this Beagle?

“That Savvy was making tons of money is no secret. What you culties
fail to remember is that the money from Savvy was supposed to be for
the TPS community, not a few greedy souls. Savvy was created by TPS
and was for TPS, and the fact is that it was hijacked and the money
was stolen. You may not mind being fucked in the ass, but I don’t
care all that much for it, so yeah, I am a little bitter over it.”

Love to see all these pie in sky amounts Beagle, how long does it
take for you to reveal this proof? Please, please show us how this
money was stolen, break it down for us month by month, the amounts,
who these few greedy souls were, etc. Maybe you have bank
statements, transaction reports, spreadsheets, hell, any kind of
financial information will do, we just want proof!

Instead of avoiding the questions that are mentioned in this post,
or others like it, which is so typical of you, answer them for once.
Otherwise, it really proves that you don’t have shit on what you
accusing others of doing. But hey, we are use to you being
slanderous if you can get away with it.

164.##### Elizabeta Says:

How about this, for a change? If SavvySeed has nothing to hide about
its business operations, why doesn’t SavvySeed post a statement for
us all to see, that details everything WHAT PROOF? asked for above?

Every publicly traded company does it. It is law.

If SavvySeed was indeed started with the sole aim of being a
non-profit support to TPS, and all funds (beyond maintenance costs,
including reasonable labor), were to be invested in the TPS
enterprise, what could be the harm of SavvySeed posting this
information in a TPS forum, open to all members?

Seems to me, it would clear up the argument once and for all.

I remember that Beagle was NOT an “owner” of SavvySeed, so should
not be expected to provide privileged financial information, nor
does he have the obligation to disclose such information, should he
possess it.

Business law and logic dictates that a reputable server company does
not hand over a server with a database full of proprietary
information to anyone other than a person who is duly registered as
a BILLING contact, or BUSINESS OWNER engaged in a contract with the
server company. To do otherwise is a criminal offense, and can be
prosecuted as fraud.

That, in a nutshell - is a business analysis that cannot be
disputed.

Also, a reminder, ad hominem attacks (name-calling, picking on
people’s personalities, slandering their reputation, etc.) are
completely ineffective means of settling any argument, and only make
the person slinging them look ignorant and spiteful.

\- Your Humble Servant

p.s. The TPS “enterprise” started as a non-profit community, grew to
include providing seedbox services and could have become much, much
more, had the funds designated for its growth been invested back
into the project.

I loved TPS so much, I donated within my first week as a member.
This entire saga has made me very, very sad.

p.p.s @ THERE WERE REASONS: If anyone wants to reach me, they know
where to find me.

165.##### Beagle Says:

… and again… just another coward too spineless to show us who he
is….

your comments mean nothing if you don’t even have the balls to sign
your name to them.

PS: you’re still trying to deflect the issue toward something that
was posted and proven a loooong time ago… stick with the issue at
hand, and just answer the questions and issues raised in THIS post,
not try to re-hash ancient history. You do realize that your
continued avoidance and attempts at deflection only further points
to your guilt, don’t you?

166.##### Beagle Says:

My previous post was directed at post #164, btw, not Elizabeta’s
post.

167.##### ith3ory Says:

hey beagle how are you doing mate? remember me?

ionno why i was mentioned in the beginning…i will fight for anything
i believe in

just wanted to say hi to beagle…have not spoken to you in ages. i
hope everything is going great outside ze internet

i am doing swell ![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

168.##### RikT Says:

Well I am just glad someone here has the gonads to raise the
questions about savvyseed and the ‘new owners’ of TPS I for one am
totally disgusted with the fact that supposedly a reputable company
server.lu just handed control of a server with tons of personal info
on me and probably several thousand other users in the DB to someone
else who supposedly had no involement in the administration of the
site and server just to get a few \$$$ they were owed by the
previous power hungry owners of the place.  
 I for one will be contacting them with various questions like:-

1)Did you just hand the server hosting TPS over to just to cover the
bills?

2) Why did you just hand my personal info over to someone that had
nothing to do with the site or admin of the server ?

3) What do you intend to do about this security breach as it break
many privacy laws?

But to be honest I dont really believe a word of the BULLSHIT that
they just handed it over at all as everyone at TPS would have a
lawsuit against them so big up BEAGLE for standing up and having the
balls to use his real nick as he said all you anonymous fags are
just cowards hiding behind your screen and keyboards

169.##### SteveAllison Says:

Jesus this is getting ridiculous….. So many are fighting over
anything and everything but sadly in the end, it is all
speculation….

First, when it comes to the books of Savvyseed there were only two
maybe three staff members who actually seen the invoices and true
profit margins…. That would be Wall-E and Simpliztic as they ran
Savvyseed…. The third person would be N3v3R if he actually took the
time to care….. Personally as absent as he was, I doubt he cared as
long as the server costs were made…. In fact in a private meeting
involving 5 of us Ex Staffers, he had to ask Wall-E and while no
figures were shown, he took the word of Wall-E… So for Beagle or any
one else for that matter bringing up what profits were made is
purely speculation….

Secondly I now read about how the server was acquired….. If memory
serves me correctly N3v3R switched to server.lu after the Savvyseed
project had formed…. Rather the server came from Wall-E or N3v3R got
it himself, I am unsure…. What I can say is that if server.lu gave
it to bubbl3 for back payments then I am leery of server.lu… Only
contacts I can personally see them giving it to would be N3v3R or
Wall-E depending on who the server rental contract was under…. Now
if it was under Wall-E, I could see Wall-E and bubbl3 coming to an
agreement to where bubbl3 pays the back charges and the ownership
would be changed over to bubbl3…. But sadly all this is speculation
once again….. The only person that would know for sure would be
bubbl3….

Instead of fighting over stuff we cannot prove, why not find
something that can be proven…. For me that would be the image of
TPS…. While I could sit here and bash so many of the ex staffers and
show off log after log of the dishonesty and crap they fed their
members, I will not…. I stayed out of this ever since my banning
months ago…. A wise woman told me to just sit back and watch because
karma is a bitch…. And sure enough the same deceitful staffers that
told lie after lie about many of us that were banned, eventually ran
the site to the ground….

Personally I could care less if the site is back or not…. It left a
bad taste in my mouth to be honest…. It left a bad taste in so many
members mouth…. I am talking about Captains, Dark Pirates, Comm
Reps, even some ex staff members….. Many that gave so much of their
time and effort to make that site so special at one time…

Sadly N3v3R and Soopy decided to promote a woman that was already
known to be deceitful and willing to backstab any and all staff
members that get in her way to the top…. Yes I do have logs of even
N3v3R saying how he is sick of her deceitful ways long before she
became a Sysop…. So to still see N3v3R’s name on the staff list as
Sysop is just insulting…. He promoted a woman he himself knew he
could not trust and then disappeared leaving the site at her mercy….
I would much rather see a tribute to what he created through a
thread then to see him in charge of anything TPS again….

Seeing members like othersna and megatron still staff is also an
insult…. They cheered on the massive banning that went on near the
end…. While the ones doing the banning are now gone, you left these
two cheerleaders and followers of NiNeCaT and Mike3775 as staff….

I think we can all agree that in TPS’s day there have been an issue
with confrontational staffers…. So where does bringing in zzenn
change anything?…. I bet each Ex Staffer including N3v3R, Soopy,
Beagle, etc will tell you he never got a staffing position because
of how confrontational he is…. We all remember Frozin, HiRiZe, and
Mike3775 for their opinionated and passionate ways and please
understand that is why they are not staff today….. This is not a
knock on zzenn by any means, some people have what it takes to be
staff and some don’t…. But to staff a community you must be able to
handle members professionally, not out them publicly like I have
seen in the past….

So to me and many other members rather they were Shipmates,
Captains, Dark Pirates, Comm Reps, or even Ex Staff, we are leery of
giving TPS that second chance…. In fact don’t expect many of the
Comm Reps to just come flooding back in… Not only must you earn
their trust back in the site, but now you made it harder by keeping
on known followers of the regime that sunk the boat to begin with…
While this will not be popular among many of you that loved what TPS
once was, the money it took to pay off the back 4 months and rent
for the next month might have been better spend on creating a new
site without the bad history behind it… I guess only time will
tell….

Anyways good luck with TPS, but to see me give an honest effort of
trusting the site again, a few other staffers have to go…. While I
doubt many TPS staff care rather I trust it again or not, please be
happy in knowing I keep all those logs to myself…. While I could
easy trash the name of TPS and many of its staffers (past and
present), I have not…. I was respectful as I could be under the
circumstances, I hope to see I get the same respect in return….

170.##### Witch Doctor Says:

STEVEALLISON: While this will not be popular among many of you that
loved what TPS once was, the money it took to pay off the back 4
months and rent for the next month might have been better spend on
creating a new site without the bad history behind it

actually i was thinking the same thing. i mean in the end was that
database really worth that money, all those tens of thousands of
outdated posts, most of the tracker reviews and library articles
were outdated, and the memberlist well, if you made a new site you
could just post it here and do as well as the advantage of mass
mailing that member list so to me, i feel like you do steveallison,
that database was not only not worth the money but it was not worth
the hint of foul play that will forever loom around the history of
how that database was really acquired.

by the time you trim all the bullshit and outdated shit off that
database it will almost be like a fresh install ha ha woot?

171.##### SteveAllison Says:

Witch Doctor: Well I am by no means saying the db was worthless….
TPS was once a great place to hang out…. Alot of their members made
it that way…. I guess when you weigh your options you see this….

In one hand you got a good member base after lifting so many bans to
alot of real active members that got banned or asked to be disabled
under the old regime… Sadly you have to win the trust back in the
members and Comm Reps in order to be successful again….

In the other hand start a fresh new site….. No bad history to fight
and no worries of backlash from still disgruntled members and ex
staff….. The sad part about that is you have to buy vbulletin, code
it to fit your needs, settle on new staff, and advertise to get a
members base…..

While I understand their decision because it is already formed and
the members were already there, I just wonder if the Comm Reps will
forgive and forget…. Without them TPS is no different then a forum
or a blog…. I mean we can all learn about BT and private sites at
places like slyck, Filenetwork, FileShareTalk, or even here at
FileShareFreak…. The only thing that sets these torrent invite
communities apart is its members and invites…

172.##### inviteforumfag Says:

sounds like this is all because of useless seedboxes, the biggest
ripoff in p2p

173.##### Beagle Says:

alright i am gonna stop talking trash now; just give me a blowjob
when i wake up from the hashish cloud that i am sleeping in now

bitches

174.##### Elizabeta Says:

\*inhales deeply\*

\*kneels\*

\*gives Beagle a blowjob\*

\*suck\*

\*lick\*

\*suck\*

\*slurp\*

\*mmmph\*

\- Your Humble Servant

175.##### Beagle Says:

That’s cute. Inaccurate, though. It’s been probably 15 years or so
since I’ve smoked hash.

A blowjob does sound good, though……

But seriously, if you’re going to try to imitate me you’re going to
have to at least make an attempt at using proper sentence structure
and spelling. I’m not claiming my grammar or spelling are perfect,
but at least I do give it an effort most of the time. Also, I almost
never call people bitches, unless they’re actually a bitch.

I guess that’s the best you cultie fanboys can do. Keep going,
though, you’re making quite an impression of TPS for the world to
see. They might as well see what kind of members are left there now
that all the decent ones, that had even a shred of integrity, have
left.

…..and still no answer to what appears to me to be a couple of
pretty simple questions.

Lies, Deceit, Dishonesty, Avoidance, Cover-ups, and silly antics
from brainwashed fanboys…. welcome back TPS.

176.##### Beagle Says:

THANK YOU, Elizabeta!!!!
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

177.##### Whitey Says:

@Beagle more then likely yes it prob is me from time to time posting
Savvy’s info on seedbox’s as I am support for them and they are a
great hosting company as still many of the staff members from TPS as
well as many other private communities have boxes with us. I am on
many of the same communities that you are I get around and I see
nothing wrong with advertising a good host when someone is looking
for one.

As for your proof well bubbl3 is Savvy higher up staff just like
Simp and Wallz is. He doesn’t have access to the servers I believe
but he still is the higher up. Also the Data Center did contact
Savvy a number of times on trying to get in contact with TPS former
staff to pay the bill so either bubbl3 responded or Simp or Wallz.
In all reality who cares though? All it is now is a group of much
nicer people that wont ban people just b/c they can and are hoping
to make a much better community out of TPS like it once used to be.

178.##### Beagle Says:

Who really cares? I’ll bet at least some of the thousands of people
whose private data is stored within that server that Server.lu
supposedly sold to an unassociated third party care. If Bubbl3’s
allegations are true then anyone and everyone who deals with
Server.lu or any of the sites hosted on it’s severs, should care.
It’s a pretty serious allegation, and a major breach of privacy on
behalf of Sever.lu … IF it’s the truth.

Thank you, though, for acknowledging that you have a vested interest
in this and you’re not an unbiased third party. Kudos too for having
the wherewithal to use your real nick.

179.##### Whitey Says:

@Beagle

Well technically Savvy is no stranger to .lu or to TPS as Savvy did
host and manage TPS for a long while. I do see your point but in all
reality I’m sure it wasn’t hard at all to produce the correct info
to .lu for the TPS info. Also Id be more worried about the former
TPS staff having everyones info before the new staff but that’s just
my .02

180.##### Beagle Says:

You’re correct, Savvy is no stranger to Server.lu. In fact, they
were the previous owner of the server that hosted TPS, which is why
Server.lu returned the server to them. Why Bubbl3 is denying that,
and lying about his real association with Savvy is exactly the issue
here.

181.##### Elizabeta Says:

@Beagle,

You are quite welcome
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

A bit of splooge down my gullet is a welcome relief from the drama
here and elsewhere, atm…

I think you know where I mean.
![;)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)

And yes, that was me posting your blowjob, not an impostor. Anyone
who has ever gotten one from me, knows I drool, thus the \*slurp\*.
Then, I try to talk with my mouth full, thus the \*mmmmpph\*.

\- Your Humble Servant

182.##### Whitey Says:

@Beagle  
 I don’t think bubbl3 is really lying as he may be upper staff but
he don’t have access to anything what so ever I don’t think any
more. As every time I’ve had issues with something I’ve had to have
Wallz or Simp take care of it as those are the only 2 people that
have access to anything server wise and payment wise, and I think
Wallz is the only one that has access to the payment stuff. I could
be wrong but I do believe this is how it is now and has been for a
little bit.

183.##### Beagle Says:

You don’t think he’s lying?

Here is a quote directly from the article:

> Luckily, bubbl3 just so happened to be on Server.lu’s TPS contact
> list,

This is a quote from Bubbl3..

> 2) Who said i was the billing contact? S.lu was desperate for
> reaching the server billing contact and contacted everybody they
> knew, i just got word of it and decided to contact them.

So, according to him he was an unassociated third party who simply
contacted Server.lu and they sold him the server.

This is another quote from the aritcle…

> Bubbl3 came up with a grand plan; to try to save TPS from total
> demolition which was obviously soon to come. He contacted
> Server.lu and negotiated to settle up the outstanding backpayments
> in order to save the TPS site database &amp; contents.

So, it’s obvious that he also told Sharky that it was he who
contacted Server.lu directly and that they sold him the server, no
mention of them returning it to Savvy.

And here is a quote directly from Bubbl3…

> I’m not lying, i was honest since the start on how i got the
> server, customer 1 was just the contact s.lu asked informations
> about, he’s not involved in the transaction, i personally asked
> Server.lu about the possibility to get ownership. I guess they
> were very happy to see the negative balance repaid.

Here is a quote directly from Sever.lu…

> From our side this was a clean and smooth transaction without “new
> party”  
>  involved in the end.
> 
> So the history of this server:
> 
> Customer\_1 transferred to Customer\_2
> 
> After Customer\_2 left, server was transferred back to Customer\_1
> 
> There is no “Customer\_3″.
> 
> That’s all there is to say.

And another quote from Server.lu…

> This server you are referring to once belonged to one customer who
> transfered it to a new customer. When this customer ceased to pay,
> ownership was transferred back to the old customer.

Note that Customer\_1 is Savvy, so someone is lying. It’s either
Bubbl3 or Server.lu.

184.##### Whitey Says:

@Beagle  
 Well it kinda is pretty much true bubbl3 is Savvy
staff/admin/sysop, Savvy was customer 1 in the beginning when we did
host it and managed TPS. The Savvy just dropped it and gave all
access to TPS not sure if Savvy let .lu know or not but that’s how
it went I believe. So when TPS stop paying the bill for months the
server/servers went back to the orig owners it seems. In all reality
.lu did contact Savvy about how to get in touch with TPS then this
is prob when bubbl3 jumped on it on paying for the bill out of his
own pocket to bring back a community and try and make it what it
once was. I don’t see a prob when it really did go back to the orig
host to which was Savvy staff.

185.##### Beagle Says:

@Elizabeta: There’s no doubt in my mind that BJ came from you…
you’re the BEST! ![;)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)

186.##### Beagle Says:

@Whitey… Thank you for confirming what I’ve been trying to say all
along, that Bubbl3 did not purchase that server as a third party, as
he’s claimed, and that the server was in the possession of Savvy and
he obtained it through his direct involvement with Savvy. It’s no
secret that Bubbl3 is directly involved with Savvy. The only one
denying that is him. The question now is WHY is he denying it, and
trying to hide it, and lying about how he obtained TPS’s server?

187.##### Cherokee Says:

LOL, since witch doctor was one of the names that ninecat used, it’s
interesting that she thinks you should just throw away the site now
that she’s left and start over with a brand new site. Maybe the
members like me, who never actually got a seedbox, but enjoyed the
other benefits of the community would prefer to keep our community,
despite the fact that some people in upper level positions lacked
integrity. I’ve seen trackers like that, with serious staff issues,
but the idea was so good, that the community is like screw it, the
staff is nuts, but this is our hangout.

188.##### Witch Doctor Says:

WHITEY: All it is now is a group of much nicer people that wont ban
people just b/c they can

i may have to contradict you on that one bro. my account worked all
the way up to when tps shut down, now that it has come back my
account is disabled. and i kinda understand why i guess (i was a
forum mod) but still, i aint ever said shit about anybody.

but i mean its cool, it aint nothin worth starting no drama shit
about. its just the way shit is sometimes

189.##### Witch Doctor Says:

CHEROKEE: since witch doctor was one of the names that ninecat used

your very wrong dood, i am not ninecat. i respect your right to
believe otherwise but you are way off base.

190.##### anonymous Says:

quote by SteveAllison:

“I think we can all agree that in TPS’s day there have been an issue
with confrontational staffers…. So where does bringing in zzenn
change anything?…. I bet each Ex Staffer including N3v3R, Soopy,
Beagle, etc will tell you he never got a staffing position because
of how confrontational he is…. We all remember Frozin, HiRiZe, and
Mike3775 for their opinionated and passionate ways and please
understand that is why they are not staff today….. This is not a
knock on zzenn by any means, some people have what it takes to be
staff and some don’t…. But to staff a community you must be able to
handle members professionally, not out them publicly like I have
seen in the past…. ”

and also:  
 “Seeing members like othersna and megatron still staff is also an
insult…. They cheered on the massive banning that went on near the
end…. While the ones doing the banning are now gone, you left these
two cheerleaders and followers of NiNeCaT and Mike3775 as staff…. ”

+1 to both of these. Zzenn is a fine person but not staff material.
no sense of humor, confrontational, and is “anti-drama” i.e. anti
free speech. You guys need staffers that won’t try to censor
threads/members under the guise of “avoiding drama” “moving on from
the past”. people that are not afraid of DEALING with drama, as
opposed to just STOPPING it. Can you see the difference? The first
lets people say their peace. Even if things don’t change, members
feel better because they got a chance to be heard without fear of
persecution. Just stopping drama, on the other hand, won’t make it
go away. It just leaves people feeling alienated, unable to voice
their opinion and lead to the massive exodus from TPS.

191.##### Anonymous Says:

zzenn becoming staff was actually part of the reason I rejoined…

192.##### racerboy99 Says:

@Beagle.

Why do/should we care if it was purchased through savvy’s account?  
 Surley it could be with bubbl3’s money thorugh savvy, savvy
providing a way of doing it, and bubble3 anting to take advantage?

And anyway, why should we be worried if savvy want to ‘own’ TPS?

193.##### Maybe… Says:

Beagle,

Have you switched sides and become part of the MAFIAA now? Cease and
desist

194.##### F47 Says:

why do FSF support this shit? dont have friends - gtfo.

195.##### Tiger Lily Says:

@Witch Doctor: before telling a “dood” he’s wrong you should explain
us why a simple Academy forum mod was in the exclusion list fo the
dupe account check. Problem is that we know why:

Multiple login detected from Witch Doctor.  
 Other recognized logins for this user are: Tiger Lily

Tiger Lily was ninecat second admin account, the undeletable one as
for vbulletin config.

This is why you are disabled, So STFU and don’t show yourself again.

196.##### Sidulator Says:

Wow..don’t some of you have REAL lives to worry about? Fuckin
hilarious…

197.##### pissshivers Says:

@WitchDoctor  
 Yea, you didnt look like ravakk, ninecat, Tiger Lily or anyone else
in the logs, obviosuly not the same person at all… How many
personalities do you have now 4? 5?  
 Anyways, keep going at it, it’s good fun for the rest of us
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

@Random bashing

Everyone currently enabled will notice this is a different place,
what you post in a blog isnt really going to matter.

// As you were ladies, gents

198.##### Seemingly Says:

hey look! a forum site ran by all the members who were banned

ahhaha

how pathetic  
 and they lie about how they got it  
 some people cannot get over it

What they feel was a great plan will eventually kill the site  
 make their friends as staff  
 undermine all those against them

pretty soon another revolt will happen and they will do just as the
previous runners did

whom they hate and instead of letting them speak, they will just ban
them all  
 because money will be rolling in…and the sysops and those running
in it will be rolling with it

it is just a paycheck to you guys

so what…you paid out of cash…it is called an INVESTMENT for a reason

 gotta put money in to get money out

take a name that is popular…relift it back to life…and soak it for
all it is worth

199.##### Beagle Says:

@Racerboy99:

> Why do/should we care if it was purchased through savvy’s account?
> 
>  Surley it could be with bubbl3’s money thorugh savvy, savvy
> providing a way of doing it, and bubble3 anting to take advantage?

I think it’s pretty clear by now that the server WAS purchased
through Savvy. The question remains as to why Bubbl3 is denying his
involvement with Savvy, and lying about how he purchased the server.

> And anyway, why should we be worried if savvy want to ‘own’ TPS?

Given Savvy’s history for being somewhat less than honest, going all
the way back to the owner being caught trading and then blaming it
on his brother-in-law (Simpliztic) and including when they were
lying about where the money from Savvy was going, to where they took
all the money from Savvy and fucked off from TPS altogether, they’re
not exactly the type of people I’d want to be associated with… but,
to each his own, I guess.

200.##### Elizabeta Says:

\*ding-ding\*

And…. the first round goes to…. BEAGLE! \\o/

\*pops popcorn\*

\*passes out warm towels and water bottles to everyone\*

\*waits for round 2\*

201.##### Seemingly Beagle Says:

Just wondering if seemingly would be beagle in disguise. The same
sort of spew speech, using the words, lies, and profit, etc. just in
a different style, prehaps an attempt at poetry, that just utterly
failed?

Btw, we all need cheerleaders that know how to give a proper BJ.
Anybody else wanna stand in line for seconds, I get first dibs!

202.##### Beagle Says:

You’d be wrong…. I use my real nick. Why don’t you?

203.##### zzenn Says:

steveallison, thanks for the vote of no confidence. You’re showing a
lot of character by posting your accusations here, instead of coming
to me and talking about any issues you may have.

As far as me urging people to be nice to each other. Yes, I do that.
I can see how a few people here may have an issue with that, since
all they do is thrive on drama.

204.##### Witch Doctor Says:

@PISSSHIVERS and @TIGER LILY \*though i doubt krystin really typed
that\*

i don’t really care WHO i looked like in your opinion. you believe
me and krystin are the same person and it is all speculation in your
mind. the people in this post condemn beagle for making speculation
but yet its ok when you guys do it.

my nick was made an exclusion not the dupe detector last august when
i joined by either jtm or beagle or maybe it was steveallison, i
don’t remember. krystin and i are room mates. the dupe detector is
full of exclusions of people who live together. oh but wait, its
different if it involves kris isn’t it. right.

you guys talking all that shit about ninecat and mike3775 banning
and you guys do the same damn thing. banning off speculation. don’t
even give me the benefit of the doubt. like i said in my earlier
post, im banned and its not worth the drama to beat anyone up over.
i posted here making a simple comment on steveallisons post because
i thought what he said was profound. my comments were nothing bad
against anyone. i only stated that i felt the same way he did. that
cherokee guy came AT me attacking me with some bullshit.

all you lamers talk about “use your own name” and “show some
backbone” so i used my own name, and didn’t even say jack shit about
you guys. so you guys come out of the wood work personally attacking
me. i don’t curse at you guys or call you names.

can you guys not talk to anyone without escalating it to the point
of absolute conflict. is this how you are going to handle dealing
with people you don’t like? hiding behind ninecat or her names when
you want to say something the public wont like?

so you want me to explain how me as a “simple” Academy forum mod was
in the dupe exclusion list. that list is based off names, not rank,
the list really doesn’t care what rank you are, it is for people or
sets of people who either reside together or work together who will
use the same internet connection, so they wont keep sending out
warnings when they log in. in the future could you please refer to
the forum instruction manual or ask one of your other partners for
technical help

oh my bad, i see the issue with that

205.##### Seemingly Says:

actually i am not beagle.

idiot

206.##### David1967 Says:

\[quote\]hiding behind ninecat or her names\[/quote\]  
 I noticed the plural there… “or her names” (meaning in fact she did
have multiple accounts) or maybe that was just a typo………

207.##### ith3ory Says:

i just find it immature how some of old staff was banned

so it is right for the new to ban who they do not like purely based
on vengeful reasons

strange how things got turned around. all because some people could
pocket the bill

208.##### PUNKIE Says:

The final word from all these is that dont go back to TPS,it’s not
worth the effort, and sooner or later savvyseed is once again
running offf taking your money. So, better stay away. Let’s see how
long they can keep their drama of openness going. Sooner or later
the banning will start. The dishonorable method of the acquisition
was clue enough. This will be the final nail on the coffin of the
site once considered great i.e TPS.

209.##### Witch Doctor Says:

@DAVID1967

wassup, yeah she was ravakk at one point, changed to ninecat at some
point, then when the “announce bot” known as spartacus, went
bonkers, she made a Tiger Lily account for the purpose of doing the
announces in the forums. there was some forums in there where it was
broadcasting the latest fsf and movies and music releases and that
Tiger Lily account did that. beyond that, dont know/dont care

210.##### well Says:

all i can say from a bystander’s point of view is that everyone is
taking torrenting and forums way too seriously. people who torrent
and pirate movies/tv/etc should be the last ones to talk about lies,
character deficiencies etc when they are “stealing” material
everyday

no offence, just stating the obvious..

211.##### Actually it was quite different then that Says:

@ith3ory

Several of the former staff members that were banned, were for good
cause. If you would like to discuss this more, why don’t you do it
in the TPS environment, where it can be openly discussed, without
fear of banning of any kind. To some degree we like to keep certain
sensitive subjects away from the public eye, when it really only has
to do with our community.

So your theory as to the motive behind these banning is a bad
conclusion, since you assumed what the intention was, without
hearing the complete story behind things. I’d suggest in the future
before you go public about things, you speak to the community that
is now openly transparent first, so you do get the facts straight.
You already know how things are there now, and what you said out
here in the open, was just uncalled for. We welcome an open debate
on this, and anything else you might have a beef about. We all have
open ears, come…join us in the right section on the forum, and speak
your mind! ![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

We’ll get this sorted….

Peace

212.##### Well…. Says:

I agree well, all these non-sensical drama doesn’t need to take
place, but is only being done so because certain ex-members still
have vengence on their mind.

The original intent of the article was just to let people know that
TPS is back up and running, and anybody interested will know how to
find us. We are a peaceful bunch, but we will defend against
slanderous comments made about us, which really have no positive
effect, except to defame, and discredit people, who don’t even
deserve it. It’s just a pathetic attempt to try and stop a good
thing from happening.

We just don’t want to give the wrong impression, about what the new
TPS is all about. If you are fortunate enough to be there, you’ll
quickly see the very things that are being said out here in the
open, are indeed taking place, and that alot of hard work is being
done on everybody’s part, to get the community to where it should
be, which will not involve a bunch of uppity-power hungry junkies
who think they can control the rest of the population, and set the
mandate as a finale. All staff there are open to any suggestions,
and accept constructive criticism willingly, as it helps us become a
better site, a place where people actually wanna stay, sans
unnecessary drama.

213.##### Benjamin Netanyahu Says:

\:popcorn:

om nom nom

Get a life. Use TPB or KickAssObama instead.

214.##### Cherokee Says:

@witch doctor. I did not attack you. I just pointed out that you and
ninecat were the same person. I based this on the fact that while in
irc, you frequently would change from zoyetoy to witch doctor, and
we all know zoyetoy was ninecat’s bot.

I was kind of curious where all the donations for the last few
months ended up, however.

215.##### ith3ory Says:

NiNeCaT has no affiliation with the donations. she never saw a dime

216.##### Witch Doctor Says:

@CHEROKEE

it felt kinda like an attack. ninecat is/was an admin of tps. and i
am my own person. that bot ran on my copy of mirc and when i went to
use it, people would freak out because it was like the bot was
talking so i changed to my nick during those time.

i just asked krystin (ninecat) about that donation. she said n3v3r
took the donation money and kept telling them he was going to give
it to soopy. she has no idea if he did. she learned of soopy not
paying the bill from this webpage. to my knowledge soopy has not
talked to her since early july. if she did she would never tell me
because she knows i didnt care for him or n3v3r. im pretty sure they
knew it too being that i typed that right out in irc one day. they
quit talking to me after that. aint that some shit.

217.##### Witch Doctor Says:

@ITH3ORY

those guys that run tps now can tell who the donation money went to.
surely that program that controls the donation aspect keeps logs and
shows the name of the paypal account that gets all that shit. i
would think it would have enough sophistication to show each
transaction on a blow by blow report as to where it was going.

if this information is needed, they claim they have a open chat
forum where they are talking about all this shiznit, that would be
the best place to bring it up CHEROKEE and maybe those new staffers
can research it and tell you whats up

218.##### Beagle Says:

Ah, yes, the “new” open TPS. Don’t discuss anything about them in
public, though. What happened Bubbl3? You had Sharky post an article
in public, and you seemed pretty eager to comment about it in public
until you were shown to be a liar.

Lies, Misappropriated funds, Deceit, Dishonesty, Avoidance,
Cover-ups, and silly antics from brainwashed fanboys too pathetic to
sign their name to their comments. Looks like business as usual to
me, I don’t see anything “new”.

219.##### racerboy99 Says:

\[QUOTE\]Given Savvy’s history for being somewhat less than honest,
going all the way back to the owner being caught trading….\[/QUOTE\]

But. bubbl3 ISN’T the owner, he isn’t representing Savvy, if someone
spends spare time at a place it doesn’t make them a co-operative of
the group, just a member, or in this case a budding hobbyist who
loves seedboxes.

\[QUOTE\] to where they took all the money from Savvy and fucked off
from TPS altogether, they’re not exactly the type of people I’d want
to be associated with… but, to each his own, I guess.\[/QUOTE\]

True, this did happen, no argument there, but, it seems that all
those involved with the new running of the site (including those who
first spoke out against the lying) seem to be happy with the current
state of transparency.

And bubbl3 isn’t accepting donation, he can’t steal any money from
TPS..worst case scenario we get enought Ninecat, but, I don’t see
that happening.

220.##### racerboy99 Says:

Fail, i have no idea how to do quote boxes,

Test&gt;

Anyway, excuse my fail-tagging

221.##### Beagle Says:

@racerboy: I know Bubbl3 isn’t the owner of Savvy, but as Whitey
already stated he’s a staff/admin/sysop, which is quite a bit
different than being “just a volunteer” and having no real
involvement with them as Bubbl3 was claiming.

> Bubbl3 came up with a grand plan; to try to save TPS from total
> demolition which was obviously soon to come. He contacted
> Server.lu and negotiated to settle up the outstanding backpayments
> in order to save the TPS site database &amp; contents. He and
> pissshivers ponied up the €240 (Euro) ransom (€60 x 4 months) and
> presto, just like that they now possessed ThePirateSociety. And it
> was then subsequently moved to a new server (still on server.lu),
> and pissshivers paid out of pocket for a new vBulletin license.

Note the absence of any mention of obtaining the server via his
position at Savvy. He clearly told Sharky that he obtained the site
by contacting Server.lu directly and that they just handed over to
him a server complete with a private database intact. He also stated
the same in his subsequent comments.

It’s pretty clear to any reasonable person that Server.lu isn’t
going to just hand over a server full of private data to someone who
has no connection to that server, yet that’s exactly what Bubbl3 is
trying to lead us to believe.

> 2) Who said i was the billing contact? S.lu was desperate for
> reaching the server billing contact and contacted everybody they
> knew, i just got word of it and decided to contact them.

> I’m not lying, i was honest since the start on how i got the
> server, customer 1 was just the contact s.lu asked informations
> about, he’s not involved in the transaction, i personally asked
> Server.lu about the possibility to get ownership. I guess they
> were very happy to see the negative balance repaid.

Seriously, ask yourself: why would he lie about that? If that’s the
kind of person you want to put your faith and trust in, then Good
Luck with that.

Like I’ve already said, I couldn’t care less if TPS came back. If it
had a respectable ownership there would be no issue whatsoever. As
soon as I read this blog article I couldn’t help but see the obvious
lies. I simply questioned the obvious lies, and rather than just
address them, I was bombarded with inane crap from a bunch of
anonymous twits, all of whom apparently represent the “NEW” TPS.

So, from where I’m sitting I can clearly see that not a thing has
changed. There’s certainly nothing “new” about TPS.

222.##### Cherokee Says:

Well, Beagle, how long has it been since you’ve actually been at
TPS? I think the last few days have been quite interesting. And this
may not be what everybody else thinks, but I was glad to see
something happen that enabled the old staff (who were pretty much
banned) to return. I don’t know how long it’ll last, or whether or
not it’ll work out, but frankly, I don’t care so much how it
happened, just that it did. It was way more than I had hoped for
even a month ago. Most of the ex staff I had run across seemed to
have given up on the idea of TPS ever being a great place again.
Most of them are now giving it their best shot. So for everybody’s
sake, I hope that somehow, enough forgiveness can occur, that we can
get our great site back again.

Sandi

223.##### Cherokee Says:

PS, don’t really think what I said is inane crap, or that I’m an
anonymous twit, but I’ve always felt that if you have to use
personal attacks in your argument, you already lost the point.

224.##### Beagle Says:

You’re one of the very few here who had the decency to use your real
nick, so no you were not included in that comment about anonymous
twits.

225.##### ANON Says:

225 posts and I think Beagle the crime dog here has half of them.
How long’s it been since you left TPS anyway, 2 years? And you’re
still crusading against them over an issue that’s long since become
a non-issue?

He can’t even confine his rage to the 4 people he had a problem
with, soopy, n3v3r, wall-e and simpliztic, hes gonna go after
whoever has the TPS name in their possession.

Take a good look at the snarling hound folks. This is what a
psychotic obsession looks and sounds like.

226.##### Privacy Breach? Says:

lol…..beagle says he talked to server.lu people and they told him
this and that. but beagle you also said server.lu breached privacy
and confidentialty because they sold server to someone else. why
should we believe server.lu told you anything about tps and you not
even a customer and got nothing to do with tps server? bubble showed
screen prints of payments and tickets but you just post text like
were supposed to believe you more. ha!

227.##### vlatkost Says:

I told myself to stay out if this, yet I somehow could not.

@PTP there was such a drama with donations and stuff and when a new
site was made with associations to that former staff member, tons of
stuff was said, proof was called and bla bla bla.

Point is that in the end, PTP members are the ones that made their
own choice, same here, its TPS members that will make the choice in
the end.

Do you think that constant bickering and repeating something for the
10 000th time will change minds? No, it won’t. It just annoys
people, and then they start taking every insignificant and stupid
fact and twist it (Like the ninecat/witch doctor business and her
nicknames and how they relate). After a while this discussion became
so pointless that it sucks.

I don’t know if bubbl3 is hiding something or not, but just arguing
here about it would not have scored him any minus or bonus points at
all. Arguing @TPS probably will. The way I see it its better to
convince current members than old ones. The old ones will or will
not return, no matter what, simple as that.

This is my only post on this matter. Don’t expect any even you you
start calling me names or fanboy or groupie or whatever. Twist it
anyway you want, you will simply not be correct.

Peace out.

228.##### Elizabeta Says:

@VLATKOST

\*RESPECT\*

229.##### ith3ory Says:

beagle left i believe…hm…late last year because I remember having a
great time in the interview channel with him

so not 2 years ago

TPS was never the same once N3v3R stopped being active…Beagle got
banned/left after he simply stepped down…and Soopy was forced to
take full charge

when all three were active…though beagle did most of the
outside/public work which led to him being overwhelmed with
work…things were great and people were happy

now everything is blamed on ninecat because you all have no one else
to blame

since everyone else does it…you all choose to do it too….why?
because it is easy

i find that pathetic

move on already

230.##### Red Says:

“@Red, and all of the others telling me to “move on”: you have it
backwards, it’s you who need to move on. You’re in a serious case of
denial and you’re chasing a Utopia that simply doesn’t exist.”

Dude, what do I need to move on from? I’ve been whoring it up in TPS
over the past few days, and having fun in the forums. Not lookin for
a utopia mate, just somewhere to have fun. You know more than anyone
else that you are one of the people who shaped TPS, but fuck man… if
I held a grudge over every tracker or forum that I had been given
the boot from, I would have killed myself by now.

There is plenty of good that you can be doing right now dude…

231.##### Beagle Says:

I just love how me commenting on a simple observation gets all of
you so riled up. The only obsession and rage I see in the comments
here is coming from those who absolutely hate that I dared to
question anything about the “new” TPS, even though it was a glaring,
bold-faced lie.

Anyway, it looks like a closed issue. The leaders have declared that
you’re not to discuss anything outside of the cult, so you’d better
stop commenting before you get yourself excommunicated. I love the
openness of the “new” TPS
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

Rational people will see TPS for what it is… the rest of you can
have fun playing in a forum full of “ANONs” and being led around by
the “new” trusty leadership.

232.##### Put him down already… Says:

\*Sigh\*

Has it come to this? I think it’s time to call the dog pound, and
put this crazy, tired old dog to rest. He was let go by it’s owner a
long time ago, and has been wandering the streets, looking for
scraps, and now looks dirty and smelly to say the very least. Once
he is safely confided to his temporary dog pound cell, we can
euthanize him for his own good.

It reminds me of the outcast alcholic bum, laying in the streets,
with a cheap bottle of sake cooking wine, in a concealed brown paper
bag. He’s laying there, remembering all those good times he had
before, mumbling in anger and frustration to himself, as he can’t
figure out how he ended up in the predicament. People walk by him,
un-noticing, as they live their upbeat, normal lives. Sure, some
notice him having a conversation with himself, but pass it off as
though it was just another dillusional, schizophrenic who forgot to
take his medication again.

Oh and for the record, crazy, dillusional Beagle, people are allowed
to speak of their own free will, especially any member of TPS, as
unlike before. But hey, you seem to know all the going-ons over
there, even when you aren’t even there to begin with. So why attempt
to speculate about anything, when you clearly know shit about what
you’re talking about, and can only bark at yourself, cuz nobody else
really is listening. Rational people would know, not to listen to
you anymore, as your ramblings and accusations have become more
bizzare as time goes on.

some kind of big, bad, vicious dog….yes we all know you say that,
the moment you wake up till the moment you sleep…..if you repeat it
enough times, you eventually start to believe it’s really true.

233.##### Elizabeta Says:

WOW @PUT HIM DOWN ALREADY

That was a really vicious character assault on Beagle.

Very creatively written, but so vicious. It saddens me to see anyone
stoop that low, and use their obvious talent for words to create a
weapon.

Really, really, vicious.

\*takes Beagle out for a walk\*

\- Your Humble Servant

234.##### Notgonnausemynic Says:

I just want to say I came to to filesharefreak today to see if there
was some info on what happened to TPS as I was getting DNS errors. I
was happy to see that it was back up as.info!  
 I was one of the original members who joined in the first months
that TPS was created I believe it was in june I remember before
beagle even got promoted to mod that he was telling people to stop
bumping their posts I remember when we we were all struggling to get
upgrades in memberships. When beagle became a mod I congratulated
him on his promotion promotion because I felt he deserved for all
the service he gave the forum.  
 Fuck anyone who thinks he doesn’t have the right to vent on what
happened.  
 I remember when I visited the site and saw that he was banned and
thought WTF!!!  
 I’m glad he cleared things up on circumstances of his departure
because it was something that I had wondered about.  
 Now….  
 as for the new owner of TPS I hope that some explanation as to why
there is a discrepancy on what beagle is saying and what you are
saying.  
 I will stay a member of TPS for the time being but will be watching
closely to see if it retains the coolness of when N3v3R and Beagle
where there.

P.S  
 Where the fuck is N3veR?!?

235.##### pissshivers Says:

I’m more than willing to discuss this in the open… Fact is though
that this comment section is a warzone and I simply do not have the
time needed to participate in a proper conversation here.

If you have any alternative options I’m all ears, say the old IRC
channel over at P2P-net, open for everyone all the time.

236.##### Beagle Says:

You don’t have the time? It would have taken just moments to compose
a post stating the truth about the situation, not much longer than
it took to write what you did. I guess you only want to discuss
things in a place where you have control over what’s posted.

237.##### pissshivers Says:

I have just as much control here as I do in that IRC server which
I’m obviously not controlling…

Bubbl3 - has connections to savvy obviously since he helps run the
IRC and does community support…

TPS - No connection to Savvy.

Me - Doing this cuz I care for TPS

Finances regarding TPS - out in the open as a new post on our main
page.

Paypal donations - closed and will remain closed.

What has been stated about how we got control of the server is all
true, believe it or not
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

238.##### Beagle Says:

@Elizabeta: Did you really expect anything more? Phony character
assassination and ad hominem attacks is all they have. You can’t
really expect much more from spineless twits too ashamed to post
what they have to say under their usual nick. As I mentioned
earlier, all it would have taken was a simple statement of the
truth, and all this foolishness could have been avoided. It makes me
wonder what it is about the truth they’re so afraid of that they
resort to those kind of tactics instead, which only end up making
TPS and it’s membership look like a bunch of immature idiots.

Rage and phsychotic obsession… LMFAO! I may incite those things, but
I can assure you I most certainly don’t experience them, especially
not in regards to anything BT related. Some of you really need to
take a closer look at yourselves. You’ve become pathetic examples of
everything that’s wrong with BT today.

239.##### Beagle Says:

@pissshivers:

> What has been stated about how we got control of the server is all
> true, believe it or not
> ![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

So, you’re stating publicly that Server.lu sold you and/or Bubbl3
the database from TPS directly. You’re claiming that in exchange for
some cash they handed you over a server full of private data which
you had no previous ownership of?

240.##### This Says:

\*takes Beagle out for a walk\*

Well you’re at it put a muzzle on him, and teach him how not to poop
and pee all over the rug/floor.

241.##### Omen Says:

This will also be my first and last intervention on this thread.  
 I’m not for, or against anyone here.  
 Yes I’m a TPS member, and no, I’m not a fan boy, when I discovered
what TPS was becoming in the NineCat /Soopy era I simply stopped
posting there.  
 I thought TPS would simply die, or become a ghost site, with a few
wandering nostalgic souls still posting.  
 I knew what was happening and why, and I understand the bitterness
of some old members and staff that were kicked out and mistreated,
or lied to afterwards in the irc by new/old staffers, I fully
understand their griefs and why they were and still are, mad at
them.

But like any site, TPS is just that, a site, a virtual
infrastructure powered by humans, and when these humans misbehave,
the site is not to blame, the humans controlling it are.

I also know that when you’re so involved in a project’s growth, you
almost feel like it’s your baby, and you tend to see it not only a a
site, but as some kind of living entity that you helped growing and
maturing under your care, so when the people in command of this
entity started misbehaving you’d not only end up holding a grudge
against them, but towards the site itself, even if it couldn’t have
prevented what happened. And unfortunately, even after the bad staff
is gone you still hold that grudge against it.

So, what’s best, to simply want to see the site die, because some
bad people at one given time misbehaved and turned it into their own
play tool for a few months, or realize that this site, is just a
site, and that if the commands are given to some people who actually
care about it and want to use it properly, then there’s no reason at
all why it should end up like before, and it may even become again
the good site it was, under the supervision and care of outstanding
old members, com reps and ex staffers?

About the “bubbl3 issue”, even if he was in savvy’s staff, I can
understand why he wouldn’t want it to be written all over a public
blog, savvy is a seedbox provider and you know what seedboxes are
for, so some people, maybe like him, could see it as a security
issue to aknowledge this information in public, viewable by anyone,
especially by the wrong guys. I know that if it was me, it would
have crossed my mind.

Also, until now, I don’t see any wrong doings from the new owners,
only improvements, clarity, and total freedom of speech, so for the
moment, they have proved to be what they say they are, and their
agenda seem quite clear, at least from what I can deduce from their
actions.

You know, we are many TPS members who really miss the old Beagle
from that time and respect you, if ever you want to come in and say
hi, or just have a word or two with the staff, or post anything you
want in the forums, I bet no one will be against it and you will be
welcomed with open arms.  
 And don’t mind the “anons” posting here, most of them must be n00bs
trying to defend poorly their new home, and they don’t know that
posting anonymously just invalidates any point they are trying to
make.

242.##### Elizabeta Says:

@OMEN and others….

Thank you for trying to be balanced and somewhat objective, but
there are a few points you have missed in this discussion, that are
critical.

1) Beagle has repeatedly stated that he has NO ILL WILL TOWARD TPS
as a SITE. NONE. I am certain he would love nothing more than to see
what he put so much blood, sweat, and effort into, succeed - in any
form - as long as it is done with the same ethical standards he
established.

2) Beagle has repeatedly asked that the issue of how Bubbl3 (and
others) got ownership of the database, be clarified. That has been
his only agenda, during this entire discussion.

3) The idea of “hiding” association with seedbox companies (as
owners/users) OR with the BT world in general, is completely
ludicrous. This is the 21st century. Trust me, EVERY SINGLE BT/SCENE
site/group that ANY AUTHORITY WANTS TO INFILTRATE, HAS BEEN
INFILTRATED ALREADY. To think otherwise is to live in hopeless
denial and naivety. If ANY AUTHORITY wanted to launch a mass
prosecution of ANY MEMBERS of ANY BT tracker/seedbox provider/scene
group, TRUST ME, THEY WOULD. The fact is, like any organization -
THE AUTHORITY ORGANIZATIONS have hierarchies, priorities, red tape,
and more pressing things to focus on than the MASS EXTINCTION of the
BT/Scene world.

Yes, SCENE groups get taken down, RIAA/MPAA notices are sent out,
“token” lawsuits are filed, news stories are written, Trackers get
taken down… but if ANY OF YOU THINK you are REALLY DOING ANYTHING
“SECRET” on the INTERNET - lol - I have news for you - this
Electronic Frontier has NEVER BEEN SECRET.

Ever heard of ARPA? DARPA? Who do you think built the Internet in
the first place? Heard of NSA before?

Do your homework, open your eyes, and you know what… all you anon
haters and creepy finger-pointers, I’ve gotten to the point where I
just want you to know something else…

If you don’t have the balls to talk to me directly, if you think I’m
misunderstanding something, just FUCK THE HELL OFF.

You ALL know where to find me.

\- Your Humble Servant

1) wanting site to die  
 2) not wanting them to know about seedbox/bt

243.##### Elizabeta Says:

yeah. pardon me. my notes at the end were my outline for my
response.

so, excuse my senility for not editing out 1) and 2)

LOL

244.##### Omen Says:

@ELIZABETA:  
 1/ I’m using my username

2/ You seem to be so not taking sides here… it’s coming to a point
where it’s becoming ridiculous.

3/ You can’t even respect your own rules, I cite you:  
 “4) DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN INTERNET DRAMA”

PS: I know I know, I was supposed to post just once, so I’ll just
take ELIZABETA’s wise advice and … Fuck the hell off?  
 Words of wisdom aren’t they?

245.##### Elizabeta Says:

@OMEN

My post started with @OMEN, so obviously the reference to “anons”
was not directed at you. It seems you may not have read all 200+
posts before you made yours.

I posted my opinion here a number of times. It is obvious what
“side” I am on. The same side I am always on - if you know me at
all, you will know this already - it is the side of TRUTH,
TRANSPARENCY and INTEGRITY.

My advice to others, to NOT GET INVOLVED IN INTERNET DRAMA, still
stands. My personal choice to state my opinion and fight for truth
and clarity is not without merit. To me, the definition of “INTERNET
DRAMA” is this: useless name-calling, mud-slinging, groundless
accusations, FIRESTARTING, anonymous character assassination, etc.
with the SOLE AIM of causing “DRAMA” that is neither TRUTH-BASE, nor
productive. It’s sole purpose is to hurt and stir up fights with NO
PURPOSE beyond causing pain.

THAT IS INTERNET DRAMA.

Not one of my posts here has done anything to contribute to that
type of behaviour. They have stated my opinion, asked for the truth,
provided some comic relief (much needed), supported an individual
who has repeatedly asked for the TRUTH to be shown, and most
recently, displayed some of my OWN frustration and anger at the
DRAMA LLAMAS who are fire-starting for no reason.

So, as for sides? Read again what I wrote, and give it a moment of
reflection before typing something nonsensical, irrelevant and
again, a baseless ad-hominem attack.

Some wise words are found on this page. I certainly am not the only
person here seeking truth…

\- Your Humble Servant

246.##### well Says:

lol when will u guys get back to finding a decent job and getting a
life? jeez…

247.##### Elizabeta Says:

Here’s a great move, made by the new management. No more
“REPUTATION” system. I remember when it was being used as “currency”
in exchange for invites.

Fantastic way to make some ethical changes. Very nice to see.

\*BRAVO\*

\- Your Humble Servant

248.##### zoobuggy Says:

BEAGLE or should i say Sméagol TPS is your precious and no one else
can have it no they cant.  
 Its yours and they stole it from you and passed it from one stinky
thief to another.

But you will follow them yes you will. be it the staff the owners or
the members and if you are lucky you will destroy them and yourself
consumed in your desire to hold your precious yet again.

BEAGLE = Sméagol

HMMM it may look that way but i do not think so.  
 BEAGLE everyone that remembers the best that TPS was can not deny
that it was during your time.  
 You are the bench mark .  
 Shame that the loss of your power although unjust corrupted you
into a Sméagol.

249.##### zoobuggy Says:

just come back and put the record straight and if you are blocked in
any unreasonable way i am sure your point would be proved with far
more validity.

250.##### Muzzled Mangy Mutt Says:

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251.##### DUPED ACCOUNT Says:

Hmm, posts by ELIZABETA and BEAGLE which use the same verbiage.
Methinks someone’s creating their own supporting cast because no one
is willing to actually back them up…..

Oh, and we love how the red herring of “you can’t even post your
real nick” is used as a tactical argument, as if that makes anything
more or less valid…..lol…..

252.##### It’s not the name that counts…. Says:

It’s the point that gets driven across, and the only reason why
you’d ever want the name Beagle, is so your sorry ass can beg and
plead to have globalbans everywhere, I must get them back, they make
me look so bad, but I can’t let them know that. If I did, then they
would know the kind of character I really am, and how I’ve been this
whole time. ohhhhhh.,…ohhhhh

But my conquest for the truth, I only want my precious…..and then
frodo (aka Bubbl3) trying to destroy the ring (the demise of TPS,
your former stomping grounds, and baby) can finally be mine once
again. In the end Smeagul in one last desperate thrust for
attention, and redemption in the eyes of the general public (who
btw, are only to watch the pathetic attempts at mudd-slinging and
drama you can spin around yourself), try’s to bite the ring off (but
in this case it doesn’t actually end up that way, and the ring
continues to be on his finger, yet it in this case, it’s no evil
ring, but an actual ring of truth) fails to bite it off, and ends up
in his final fate, Mount Doom. Poor, poor smeaguel….I lead them up
to the spider’s den, and then she will do my work for me, and I will
get my ring back….precious, my precious…..

And then the the disgraced Outside Linebacker, who got hit one too
many times, suffering a concusion leading to permanant brian damage,
laying there in the locker room, not even being able to play the
game any longer, because his senses are weak, and he’s dizzy
everywhere. The slutty cheerleader comes over, and out of pity gives
him his precious BJ, just to make him feel better about how damaged
he truely is. They end up having a relationship based on that BJ
given, and from now on we stick together.

253.##### lolz Says:

Man, we be loving this…if these guys are that great at
conversations, I just wanna be there @ IRC chat. My friend told me
about the place, and says it rocks! Gotta check it out, seems like
solid people over there….good luck to all those assholes, who didn’t
even want a good place to start up again. Props to the hard effort,
to finally get someone to shutup, only cuz they didn’t want a cool
place to chill.

254.##### lolz Says:

Btw, my friend says that these guys usually aren’t like that at all,
I can see why they would have to resort to having to defend
themselves, they only wanted to make sure nobody could interfer with
getting things off the ground again. I’m going to check this place
out more, and if things seems like they are on the up-and-up, i’ll
report back, and let the rest of us who aren’t involved in this
crap, whats up on there. If things are chill, just ignore the
snapping, drooling mutt, we can all have our fun times there, and he
can just keep going on and on (if he still has anything better to do
then his own pathetic life)

255.##### Beagle Says:

And there you have it. The finest TPS has to offer you. If you join
up now you can become best of friends with the likes of that
anonymous crap. The crap who feel some sort of need to project their
own inadequacies on others. Of course, they’ll be using other nicks
than the ones they use to post here. They wouldn’t want to tarnish
their stellar reputations by posting their real thoughts under their
real nicks.

What a sad pathetic place it’s become. Instead of just a bit of
truth and simple honest answers to what are very simple questions,
all you’ve got is to try to sling crap at anyone who questions you,
and you’re so pathetic you have to do it under a cloak of anonymity.

TPS used to be a decent place where quite a few cool people hung
out. That was a long time ago, though. You can see for yourself
what’s left there.

PS: I am having a bit of a Blast reading some of the comments. Some
of you have such distinctive writing styles. Best of luck with the
power struggle, Admiral
![;)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif) I hope your ass
isn’t still sore after having gotten it kicked by a girl
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

256.##### Elizabeta Says:

Any of you who know me from TPS, my account is still there. As I do
active recruiting for a number of trackers, I may start doing it
again at TPS - if things meet the criteria for me, that I laid out
above.

I never socialized there a lot, but I did make some very good
friends through TPS.

I am taking a wait and see attitude, as to the quality of membership
and management that evolves at TPS. If the other community reps I
respect come back, I may consider using it as a platform to reach
out to the community again.

Other than that, for anyone who doubts, I DID write every post under
my name above, and NO, I did NOT consult with Beagle on any of it.

LOL as for the BJ - anyone who knows me, knows I’ll blow anyone I
like on the net, if I feel the need. For me, its a joy. For the man,
that’s a bonus ![:P](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)

Stop by and write a message to me on my Profile at TPS. My nick is
Elizabeta, of course.

I’d like to know who you all really are though. Your use of
anonymity to avoid responsibility for vicious character
assassination is chilling, indeed, and puerile at the very least.

Even in my most vicious days as a flamer in “ThunderDome”, I posted
externally under my real nick. Just google it, in fact, I’m pretty
sure sharky and LST still have some of my expletive-laden comments.
The difference between me and anon is that I had the balls to show
my real face, and know that it would stay on the net forever. Kinda
weird, huh? To be a complete asshole in public, and not be
embarrassed years afterwards? Even though, it is really
embarrassing… lol.

Life is much less serious than you all think it is. &lt;3

\- Your Humble Servant

257.##### ttinvite Says:

Hello Beagle

Really you are a funny Boy.This message is not for inviting you to
ttinvite.com (Admin post). i Just need to pass a message to you
Please Stay away from ETIV.

258.##### lolz Says:

That slobbering (origins:to slurp, wade through a ditch) conniving
little mutt…..

He gets kicked out where-ever he goes, I wonder why?

259.##### Simple Truth and honesty Says:

“@Anon: yes, I was around, until I revealed how much excess profit
the Savvy project was making that wasn’t being used for TPS
purposes. When I revealed that information is when I was banned.
They decided to go with the cash… it didn’t work out too well for
them, though. lol”

Beagle: “What a sad pathetic place it’s become \[your life\].
Instead of just a bit of truth and simple honest answers to what are
very simple questions”

I believe some people who posted on here wanted to find out exactly
what proof you had of the first quoted statement you made. Could you
please provide exact proof of these excess profits the Savvy Project
was making - that wasn’t being used for TPS purposes. If it is
really true that there were excessive profits being made, could you
also please prove that they were not being used for “TPS purposes”.

Stating a statement, and trying to pass it on as fact, really
doesn’t prove anything Beagle. I’m sure all of us on here would be
grateful to see the transparency you have on this issue.

Thanks.

260.##### Simple Truth and honesty Says:

Beagle is right about one thing:

“You can see for yourself what’s left there. ”  
 “TPS used to be a decent place where quite a few cool people hung
out”

Please feel free to come on over to TPS, and see for yourself how it
really is now. We’d appreciate any feedback, preferably on the
forums, so any member can add whatever comments they wish, and we
can take everything into consideration, and make this place even
better, as time goes on. It takes every member there, to contribute
in any way they can, that will get things really going again, and
make this place as great as it use to be.

261.##### Beagle Says:

@Simple truth and honesty: you’re not even honest enough or man
enough to use your real name, you do seem simple, though, so I’ll
respond anyway….

re: Savvy’s profits. I’ve already done the work and posted the
details for all to see. Surely you remember it, it’s the post which
got me banned from the site. Everything I’ve been hearing lately is
that the site is NEW and that there’s an atmosphere of openness, so
surely my post must still be there for all to see…. isn’t it?

re: Coming over for a visit: I don’t think so, I prefer to associate
with people I trust, people who don’t lie to me, people who aren’t
such pussies that they won’t stand behind what they have to say. I
don’t intend to ever grace that shithole with my presence ever
again. The only thing that’s changed are a few of the nicks on the
staff page. Shit with a different wrapper still tastes like shit.

The Irony of this whole situation…. 99% of the twits claiming you’re
trying to make it as great as it used to be weren’t even there when
it was a great place to be.

262.##### Beagle Says:

@pissshivvers: I’m still waiting for your answer to my one last
question.

pissshivers:

> What has been stated about how we got control of the server is all
> true, believe it or not
> ![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)

> So, you’re stating publicly that Server.lu sold you and/or Bubbl3
> the database from TPS directly. You’re claiming that in exchange
> for some cash they handed you over a server full of private data
> which you had no previous ownership of?

See the thing is if you’re telling the truth, then I think I have a
responsibly to let the members of TPS know that Sever.lu has sold
their private information and that their passwords, emails, paypal
information, any private info they’ve communicated in a PM, etc has
been compromised. I think it would be prudent, too, to let anyone
that’s a member of any site hosted on one of Server.lu’s servers
that their data can and will be compromised should the current
owners go into arrears on payments. (as happens a lot with trackers
and seedbox companies)

I would have already done this if I actually believed what you were
claiming. I find it hard to believe, though, that a server company
would just sell a database to someone not directly connected to that
database. I also have to wonder why they’d hand over all of the
previous customers billing history and the notes they sent to that
customer such as the ones that were posted at the end of this
article showing the notes they sent to the TPS staff asking them to
clear up the account balance, and all of the previous transactions.

It’s pretty clear that one of you is lying. All the evidence points
at you and Bubbl3 being the ones lying. Unless you can show
something convincing, then it’s pretty clear that Server.lu are the
ones telling the truth.

> This server you are referring to once belonged to one customer who
> 
>  transfered it to a new customer. When this customer ceased to
> pay, ownership  
>  was transferred back to the old customer.

> From our side this was a clean and smooth transaction without “new
> party”  
>  involved in the end.
> 
> So the history of this server:
> 
> Customer\_1 transferred to Customer\_2
> 
> After Customer\_2 left, server was transferred back to Customer\_1
> 
> There is no “Customer\_3″.
> 
> That’s all there is to say.

So, how about showing us something that proves Server.lu sold you
that database, and not Savvy, and while you’re at it explain where
those screenshots came from….

263.##### A13 Says:

Looks like a lot of things went down these past few months. I’m late
to this article by a week lol but I have been told and given some
info about this new TPS.

I think it will be better managed than before in its shittiest of
times. There are a couple clear heads on the staff now, skindoggi,
bottom, zzenn, who I’ve seen, and trust to be the right individuals
to be overseer of such a site. The rest, not so much. Except the
people who have recently become members of course. But JTM has once
said that even the best of us have made mistakes in the past, so
maybe with some good people, the rest will be good too.

I don’t know the state of the BT world anymore these days to be flat
out honest. I’ve been too busy, and I think I’ve gotten out of this
stage. But if TPS can be made out as it was before, then maybe the
BT world will be better. Though if TPS is made to be like before,
then there will be a lot of kissassery, bullying, and “elite” people
talking a lot of shit. But there’s always a negative to anything
positive. And maybe that is just part of the system.

I do wonder about all that money that went from the members to staff
for the site though. From all the way back when that savvyseed money
was used to “reinvest” into the site for prizes and helping
customers, to the money that donation drive that was said to cover
the site for the rest of the year (or something like that).

Transparency is key though. Do that, and good things will come.
Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.

A13

264.##### Cherokee Says:

@Beagle: Obviously you still care a lot, or you wouldn’t feel the
need to post. The problem with a blog like this is that people can
post under basically any name. However, at TPS, they do have to
actually use a nick over the long haul. So all this anonymous crap
goes out the door once you’re on the site. I can understand people
wanting to say things while anonymous. They don’t necessarily want
to own their words, because owning them might mean repercussions,
which they’re not brave enough to risk.

Just because TPS isn’t where you want to be at anymore, doesn’t mean
that it doesn’t suit the needs for a lot of other people. There’s
places I’ve moved on from myself, some with bitter memories, and
memories of friends I had to leave behind. That other people now
enjoy those places, even though I know they could have been so much
better if it weren’t for……, but hey, that’s where they’re at now,
they don’t have my baggage there. Just like most of the members
don’t have your baggage at TPS. I hope I’m making some sort of sense
here. Let us make the place the best place we can. It might not ever
be all the things you envisioned it could be, but we can still get a
lot out of it. To me, TPS was never about the trackers, but more of
a place to hang out with fun people, argue, and play arcade games.

265.##### Cherokee Says:

@Beagle: Obviously you still care a lot, or you wouldn’t feel the
need to post. The problem with a blog like this is that people can
post under basically any name. However, at TPS, they do have to
actually use a nick over the long haul. So all this anonymous crap
goes out the door once you’re on the site. I can understand people
wanting to say things while anonymous. They don’t necessarily want
to own their words, because owning them might mean repercussions,
which they’re not brave enough to risk.

Just because TPS isn’t where you want to be at anymore, doesn’t mean
that it doesn’t suit the needs for a lot of other people. There’s
places I’ve moved on from myself, some with bitter memories, and
memories of friends I had to leave behind. That other people now
enjoy those places, even though I know they could have been so much
better if it weren’t for……, but hey, that’s where they’re at now,
they don’t have my baggage there. Just like most of the members
don’t have your baggage at TPS. I hope I’m making some sort of sense
here. Let us make the place the best place we can. It might not ever
be all the things you envisioned it could be, but we can still get a
lot out of it. To me, TPS was never about the trackers, but more of
a place to hang out with fun people, argue, and play arcade games.

266.##### Beagle Says:

@Cherokee: taking cheap shots at someone while using an anonymous
nick is just weak and pathetic. It shows a serious lack of character
if someone is too ashamed to put their name to their own words. I
can honestly say, though, I’m not surprised in the least. Just
appalled at how pathetic some of them are. I understand that some of
the ones making those comments may be your friends, and if that’s
the type of people you want to “hang out with” then you go right
ahead.

I value things like truth, honesty, and character. If you don’t
that’s entirely your own choice.

267.##### Wrong Beagle Says:

‘and the only reason why you’d ever want the name Beagle, is so your
sorry ass can beg and plead to have globalbans everywhere”

As was stated that’s why myself and other members really don’t want
to bring up their name. We don’t what kind of mayhem you are capable
of…..we don’t trust crazy dogs, who only make shit up, cuz they
don’t like good things happenning.

Funny enough that you would try so hard to get names, why take an
effort? You make it seem as though it’s cuz you want people to name
names? Is it because so you can assoicate it to whoever it is, so
you know who it is, or so you can bring about your vengence, even
further then what you already what you have displayed?

“re: Savvy’s profits. I’ve already done the work and posted the
details for all to see. Surely you remember it, it’s the post which
got me banned from the site. Everything I’ve been hearing lately is
that the site is NEW and that there’s an atmosphere of openness, so
surely my post must still be there for all to see…. isn’t it?”

Finally, you admit to a post you made, so please re-post those
details. Otherwise this so called work is the same BS you spread
around, nothing new there. If not, well it’s just another statement
that must be fact, cuz you said so. FFS, deal with it dude, instead
of leading us on, actually prove it. I’m suprised you’d admit that
it was posting that proves everything. Fine, we’ll give you the
benefit of doubt, now actually prove it. Otherwise your just as
pathetic as you make yourself out to be.

Since you want to make it a circus, you wouldn’t have any ethical
reason why not to post it? So come what’s it’s going to be?

268.##### Trust hmmm Says:

Beagle,

Your version of trust is so disllusional, you don’t even know who to
trust do you? From what I can see, nobody trust you. Says alot for
what your worth (which isn’t much)

269.##### A13 Says:

Thank you for your response.

If you would like an answer for transparency, I have good news fo
you. Come on over to the TPS site, answers have been provided. If
you wish to comment there or here on what you see, we’d welcome
this. At least the truth can be said.

270.##### Beagle Says:

I don’t trust people that are too spineless to post using their real
nicks, no.

As for the post. Read it on the site. If you’re too lazy to search
for it, I’m certainly not going through the trouble of looking it up
for you.

As for global bans… tks for the chuckle
![:)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif) ( you know they’re
only a myth, right?)

So, you’re begging me to re-post something you can read on the site,
why don’t you beg the site owners to post a final answer to my
simple questions with the actual truth, so I’ll shut the hell up and
you douchebags can go back to your little hideaway?

271.##### A13 Says:

I may, or may not. But really, post under a real nick can you lol
seriously

272.##### LOL @ you all Says:

271 comments of all you guys arguing back and fourth like a bunch of
fucking women Are you fucking serious!!!!!!! No one cares about the
shit ass forum “ThePirateSociety” or the shit ass seedbox company
“savvyseed” they both suck ass anyways. So someone please close this
thread for comments so they will just STFU all ready!!!!!!

273.##### Elizabeta Says:

@LOL @ YOU ALL: ” arguing back and fourth like a bunch of fucking
women”

I am a woman ![;)](/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)

\- Your Humble Servant

274.##### pirateu Says:

HELP  
 Hi, i log into piratesociety sucessfully but I cant get now the
index page.. Can you help me: beagle , bubbl3 or whoever..

thanks

275.##### In the land of the blind the Man with 1 eye is king Says:

Tps is a shithole it will never be what it was,, stop kicking a dead
horse and move on,, u guys are wasting everyones time bringing this
site back

Unpaid Server Bills…

New Domain Name…

New Staff… and the Future

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